Template:Did you know nominations/Saints Row: The Third
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:32, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
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Saints Row: The Third
[edit]- ... that the Japan release of Saints Row: The Third had the veins removed from its Penetrator weapon—a three-foot long phallus bat—due to regulatory restrictions on depictions of genitalia?
- ALT1:... that upon first handling Saints Row: The Third's signature dildo bat, the game's design director said, "I feel like I'm playing something unlike anything else—we know what Saints Row is now"?
- ALT2:... that 2011 video game Saints Row: The Third was marketed with sex toy and porn star iconography?
- Reviewed: Fire and Darkness
- Comment: My fingers are crossed for ALT1. Make me proud.
Improved to Good Article status by Czar (talk). Self nominated at 06:36, 23 May 2014 (UTC).
New enough because the article was promoted to GA on 23 May. Long enough. QPQ OK. Hook character counts according to this tool: original 189; ALT1 208; ALT2 87. All three hooks are written out in the article with their citations. Original hook checks out online with citation #42. ALT1 checks out online with citation #2. The article's text is objectively written and neutral. It is fully cited except for the plot section, which is acceptable for this type of article. There are no problems with disambig links or with access to external links. I have done a number of spot checks on the citation sources and have not found any copyvio or close paraphrasing. Issues: (1) ALT1 is too long at 208 characters.(2) ALT2 has citation #55,but I believe the nominator could have misread the source, and that the source is at least ambiguous on this point. It says, "In what seems an entirely appropriate move for a game marketed by sex toys and porn stars ..." Tomonobu Itagaki is featured in the game. I think that this could be understood to mean either (a) that the game really is marketed by such sex toys and porn stars, or (b) if you put this character in the game, it would be suitable for the sex toy and porn star market. The language in the source is clumsy and that is what makes it ambiguous. "Marketing" means selling things. Sex toys and the performances of porn stars don't sell things; they are sold. Perhaps it is intended to mean that these things already feature in the game, and the attraction of these features are used by marketing companies to attract sales; and furthermore that Tomonobu Itagaki will be a further attraction to purchasers. So because the clumsy wording of this source is repeated in the hook and makes the hook insecure or ambiguous, I would like to discard ALT2.--Storye book (talk) 16:18, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- @Storye book, the "marketed by..." is meant to denote the iconography used for the marketing, not that they sold branded sex toys and porn stars. I clarified the hook and let me know if you have a suggestion for rephrasing the article line. (I think it's fine as is.) But this said, I prefer ALT1, so throwing out ALT2 would also be okay. Not sure how you're counting characters, but ALT1 comes to 189 including the ellipsis. Perhaps you're adding the formatting characters (which don't show)? Thanks for the review czar ♔ 16:49, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- @ Czar. Thank you for re-editing ALT2 and for the explanation. ALT2 is acceptable now.
Can you convince me as to how you count ALT1 as 189 characters? I'm copying and pasting ALT1 (from the preview or saved page; not from the edit box) from the first dot of the ellipsis to the question mark, and pasting it into this tool. I don't count source/formatting. I don't favour this character-count tool over others, and maybe there is another tool which ignores some aspect which the above tool ignores? It would be interesting to compare counting-methods, anyway. If you can resolve this problem,I'll be able to add ALT1 to the pass-list below. --Storye book (talk) 17:19, 12 June 2014 (UTC) 
All issues resolved for original hook and for ALT2.
- @Storye book, my error—I was counting the main hook's characters. I've corrected ALT1 to 195. Sorry about that czar ♔ 17:31, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- All issues resolved for original hook, for ALT1 and for ALT2. All good to go. --Storye book (talk) 17:37, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- @Storye book, my error—I was counting the main hook's characters. I've corrected ALT1 to 195. Sorry about that czar ♔ 17:31, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- @ Czar. Thank you for re-editing ALT2 and for the explanation. ALT2 is acceptable now.
- @Storye book, the "marketed by..." is meant to denote the iconography used for the marketing, not that they sold branded sex toys and porn stars. I clarified the hook and let me know if you have a suggestion for rephrasing the article line. (I think it's fine as is.) But this said, I prefer ALT1, so throwing out ALT2 would also be okay. Not sure how you're counting characters, but ALT1 comes to 189 including the ellipsis. Perhaps you're adding the formatting characters (which don't show)? Thanks for the review czar ♔ 16:49, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
