Template:Did you know nominations/S. N. Haleʻole

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:07, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

S. N. Haleʻole

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Title page of Ke Kaao o Laieikawai

~~... that S. N. Haleʻole wrote The Hawaiian Romance of Laieikawai (pictured), the first work of fiction by a Native Hawaiian?~~

Reviewed: Segovia prison break

Created by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 01:48, 1 July 2016 (UTC).

Article creation date and filing date okay. Article length okay. Citing okay. No copyvio suspected. QPQ kind of cursory but done. Image rights okay, but I think the caption field for the image needs setting in this DYK nomination? Hook length okay at 146 characters, hook interest is good, hook sourcing is AGF from a book. So from the DYK perspective this is okay to go.

I made a few copyedits and tweaks to the article, hopefully none that are objectionable. A few other comments on it that you can address if you like: Is it known what the initials "S. N." stood for? What is a kaʻao? It should either be linked or explained. "Beckwith claimed" is suboptimal per WP:CLAIM, unless you have reason to think her assessment is inflated. Are there any other obituaries or death notices of Haleʻole that can be found? Wasted Time R (talk) 11:24, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank. It is not ever stated in the extant sources. Kaao is explained as "a narrative...". Ok. Not that I am aware of. There would possibly be more in Hawaiian language newspaper but I wouldn't understand it. KAVEBEAR (talk) 13:27, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

I came to promote this but found the hook fact was inaccurate. What the source actually says is that The Hawaiian Romance of Laieikawai is "the first book-length literary text by a Hawaiian". This "fact" should be changed in the article and a new hook is needed. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:39, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

@Cwmhiraeth: One it isn't trying to quote. There are similar words on page 348 to give the reader the knowledge this is a work of fiction without using the word work of fiction. Also check page 349, "the first work of fiction written and published by a Hawaiian". KAVEBEAR (talk) 10:57, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Indeed, I had only looked at page 348 and not page 349. However, the hook makes a very sweeping statement. The story seems to have first been published serially in a newspaper, and it is difficult to imagine that it was not preceded by other literary forms such as short stories, so perhaps you should indicate in the hook that it was the first book-length text of this sort. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:26, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that S. N. Haleʻole wrote The Hawaiian Romance of Laieikawai (pictured), the first book-length work of fiction by a Native Hawaiian?
@Wasted Time R and Cwmhiraeth: Changed hook. Does it need a second review? KAVEBEAR (talk) 17:07, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

It does not need a second review from my perspective. The new hook fact is not stated in that way in the article, but "... the sole piece of Hawaiian imaginative writing to reach book form" says the same thing. I guess I overlooked the need for qualifying language in the hook on my initial review. In part I was giving some leeway since I figured this was kind of like the question of 'what was the first novel ever written' – there are several ways of looking at it. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:02, 17 July 2016 (UTC)