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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:29, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

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Reynhard Sinaga

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Created by Berrocca addict (talk) and Philip Cross (talk). Nominated by Sentausa (talk) at 16:33, 14 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Please tone down the hook. You can say he's a convicted rapist without going into so much detail. You could write a hook comparing his later deeds with his early background, or about how he was finally caught. As his victims are still alive, striking ALT1 for possibly distressing them and their families. Yoninah (talk) 23:59, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I just added 2 alternative hooks. Honestly I don't know how to tone down the hook as everything in the article is quite distressing even for me. sentausa (talk) 14:20, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps something about the 500% increase (the biggest rise in the charity's history) in calls to the hotline for the sexual abuse survivor charity after his sentencing? Cowlibob (talk) 16:46, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Sentausa: thank you, but I don't see the "active member" part in the sources. The Church of Ireland source says he worshipped at a church "occasionally", while the Telegraph source talks about him attending church as a child. Yoninah (talk) 13:22, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Ah, it's true. Another source contradicted ALT6 and I just corrected the article. sentausa (talk) 13:42, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Sentausa: I guess ALT7 would be okay. But I'd like to ask you one more time to consider a version of ALT4, not mentioning the name of the church:
  • ALT4a: ... that a congregation of the Church of England provided serial rapist Reynhard Sinaga with a character reference for his trial? Yoninah (talk) 13:07, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Full review needed now that hooks seem set. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:25, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
  • New enough, long enough, neutral, well-cited, interesting hook. Good to go. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 04:56, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
  • This nomination was removed from prep by Gatoclass with the following edit summary: pulled Reynhard Sinaga - source does not support hook. I have struck ALT4a, the hook that was pulled. Pinging sentausa, Yoninah, and Nice4What. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:17, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: What about ALT7 instead? sentausa (talk) 15:34, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
  • sentausa, the problem I have with ALT7 is the implication that he boasted about the rapes and assaults (which were "his actions") on social media, when the actual posts repeated in the newspaper stories are more oblique than that, making it sound like seductions rather than assaults. You might want to go with him keeping evidence of his crimes on his mobile phones, which is how he was convicted, or the objects he'd taken from his victims as "trophies". BlueMoonset (talk) 18:49, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: Like these? sentausa (talk) 16:36, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
  • sentausa, these might work. For ALT8, I'd suggest "over three terabytes" rather than "3.29 TB" (or at least replacing "TB"), and for ALT9 I'd suggest "were able to" rather than "could". I'd like to ask Yoninah to respond to the tenor and interest of the two new hooks, given previous hook involvement. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:58, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT8 is verified by the source, though it only mentions one phone. I have edited the article accordingly, taking BlueMoonset's suggestion about the wording, and am listing here an alt:
  • ALT8a: ... that on the mobile phone of the serial rapist Reynhard Sinaga, police found more than 3 terabytes of videos of his assaults?
  • I can't find ALT9 in the article. I think ALT8a is fine, though. Hook ref verified and cited inline. ALT8a good to go. Yoninah (talk) 22:49, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
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