Template:Did you know nominations/Reviving Baseball in Inner Cities

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The result was: promoted by Allen3 ^talk 12:29, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Reviving Baseball in Inner Cities‎

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~~... that the Reviving Baseball in Inner Cities program is a response to declining African American participation in baseball?~~

Reviewed: ~~IOU~~ Template:Did you know nominations/Gustavo Parraguez and Template:Did you know nominations/Tim Samaras

Created by Muboshgu (talk). Self nominated at 00:46, 7 June 2013 (UTC).

The response took place decades ago, so it would sound better written in the past tense. I would suggest providing a citation for the year the organization was founded, and then saying "... program was founded in 1989 in response ..." Also "African American" should be hyphenated (see MOS:HYPHEN) since it is an adjective. QPQ is outstanding as well.—Bagumba (talk) 02:11, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I like it better as a a noun. QPQ coming soon. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that the Reviving Baseball in Inner Cities program was started in 1989 as a response to declining participation among African Americans in baseball?

Hope you don't mind my making this a double. I just expanded John Young (baseball). I'll provide 2 QPQs. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that John Young founded Reviving Baseball in Inner Cities in 1989 as a response to declining participation among African Americans in baseball?
ALT3: ... that John Young founded Reviving Baseball in Inner Cities in 1989 as a response to declining African-American participation in baseball?

It doesn't seem accurate based on the sources in the article that RBI was a response to declining participation. First of all, the numbers from your article state a drop from 1995 to 2013, so we can't conclude that a 1986 program years earlier was a response to that decline. The LA Times article only says Young pointed to a high number drafted from 4-year colleges, and a low percentage of blacks in four-year colleges. It doesnt corroborate that there was definitively a drop in participation among blacks. My suggestion is to either find additional sources that support the hook, or cleanup the article and come up with a different hook.—Bagumba (talk) 02:52, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

That's what's sourced about the continuing decline. RBI alone hasn't been sufficient to fix it. The LA Times article above does talk about little leagues in inner cities shutting down. This source says that Young "noticed a massive decrease in African-American ballplayers coming out of Los Angeles" – Muboshgu (talk) 21:06, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

You can attribute that statement, but it's the part about the 1986 draft that I'm worried about synthesis. The order of presentation, going backward in time in the "Background" section, also can be misleading as far as cause-effect relationships.—Bagumba (talk) 21:26, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. I just moved so have been without regular WiFi, and I just came back in to check on this nom. I'll try to address it in the morning. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:17, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

I've made some changes, most notably making the temporal sequence chronological. I'm not seeing the issue with the 1986 draft. That was the main impetus for the formation of RBI, and it's sourced from the LA Times article. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:11, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Both articles are long enough (1,994 and 3,367 characters, respectively). Both hooks are <200 characters long. LA Times source provided verifies the hook fact. QPQs done. Looks good to go! —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:14, 25 June 2013 (UTC)