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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:15, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

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Revival (comics)

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  • ALT1:... that Revival writer Tim Seeley claims to have created the term "rural noir" to describe a hardboiled detective story set in a small town?
  • ALT2:... that the concept for the 2012 comic Revival was due in part to the artist's belief that The Walking Dead had perfected the zombie survival story?
  • ALT3:...that Revival stars a character writer Tim Seeley spent 20 years developing?
  • Reviewed: Exempt - fourth nom

Created/expanded by Argento Surfer (talk). Self-nominated at 14:13, 15 August 2016 (UTC).

  • ✓ Articled expanded from 2,331 bytes to 25,630 bytes
  • ✓ Long enough: 25,630 bytes
  • ✓ The article in general appears well cited
  • ✓ The hook is 167 characters without spaces
  • ✗ Hook: neither of the sources support the statement that a zebra was killed. "in the first issue there’s a zebra in Wausau that someone painted". One of the sources does state, "murder in the first issue, as strange as it is, actually happened" but does not clarify if this occurred to the zebra or something else like a person. This source states specifically that the first issue is based on actual events but does not expand beyond that about the rest of the series. I think the hook will need to be that specific or another source will need to support that this occurs routinely across the entire series.
  • ✗ Alt Hook: Seeley did not create the term "rural noir". There's plenty of book references of its use prior to the comic Revival such as this, some 20 years prior to the publication of Revival. "Rural noir" appears at least 18 times from books in the 20th century alone.
  • I find both hooks fascinating if they can be properly attributed to a source. Awaiting response from the nominator. Mkdwtalk 22:48, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
I changed the second one to show Seeley claims to have coined the term, per the source provided.ECCC12: Seeley & Norton go rural noir with "Revival" I'm hunting for something more concrete on the zebra, but no luck yet. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:11, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
@Argento Surfer: I looked at that source and while he does mention inventing a new genre, because it's essentially a primary source claim, I don't think it should be included in the hook. I think very few DYK hooks should contain information is that is only supported by a statement made by the individual. There's a high probability it could be wrong and I'd feel conflicted allowing it to appear on the main page without being supported by a reliable third party source independent from quoting the author on that particular point. Let me know how th search goes for the other zebra and based on true crimes source. Regards, Mkdwtalk 18:25, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
@Mkdw: I haven't found any actual news coverage - not sure when it happened, or who would have covered it - but I did find this interview where Seeley says "the zorse [zebra-horse] scene in issue one was inspired by a real event." I've added the source to the page to bridge the gap. Argento Surfer (talk) 16:26, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
@Argento Surfer: I think we need an independent source to verify this information. I'm leery of interview statements because they're essentially primary sources. Also a lot of the sources focus on the fact that the first issue is partly based on true events. They don't really talk about the broad storyline of the comic being based on true events. The hook would need to change to be as specific as the sources. Mkdwtalk 18:17, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
@Mkdw: I'll keep searching. In the meantime, I've re-written the hook per your suggestion. Argento Surfer (talk) 20:14, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
@Mkdw: No luck with the zebra murder, so I've posted two alternate hooks. Argento Surfer (talk) 21:00, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
@Mkdw: Any comment? Argento Surfer (talk) 20:11, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
@Argento Surfer: I'm not sure if ALT2 has an appealing enough hook for DYK. That's a personal opinion and I'd want another reviewer to give their opinion. As for ALT3, it seems to be the more viable of the two. I don't think it's important to note that the character had never been used before. The article makes a more appealing statement in that Rival uses a character that was developed over 20 years. Perhaps you'd be willing to re-word the hook so it highlights that interesting fact more prominently? Also, it's very hard for us to verify that hook because the source is not available online. Are you aware of any other sources that verify that fact? I'd want to make sure it was accurate statement before putting it up on the main page of Wikipedia. Mkdwtalk 21:44, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
@Mkdw: ALT3 updated per suggestion. A quick search didn't turn up any online sources, and the Google book version only has the first 55 pages (this content is from the end of the book). Could I provide a scan of the book somehow? Argento Surfer (talk) 13:11, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
ALT3. I think this would fall under the {{DYKtickAGF}} especially since you're able to verify that the book does exist. Could you paste the link for the google book version even if its for the first 50 pages? Mkdwtalk 15:20, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
Certainly! Argento Surfer (talk) 18:43, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
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