Template:Did you know nominations/RealSports Baseball

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:14, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

RealSports Baseball

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• ... that the Atari 2600 version of RealSports Baseball received a "certificate of merit" in the "Best Sports Videogame" category at the 1984 Arkie Awards, while the 5200 version received one at the 1985 Arkie Awards? 1984 award can be seen here a p.72, 1985 award can be seen here at p.28

• Comment: This is my first DYK nom, please be gentle!

Created by FOARP (talk). Self-nominated at 19:11, 28 February 2021 (UTC).

•  In progress I've read through and will submit a review.—Bagumba (talk) 03:30, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - no

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Nice, nostalgic read. For the hook, there are more interesting options than a "certificate of merit", which appears to be the equivalent of an honorable mention. Suggestions include (but are not limited to) the game being a response to Intellivision or an upgarde to Home Run. —Bagumba (talk) 03:48, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that RealSports Baseball was a response to an aggressive Intellivision marketing campaign fronted by George Plimpton? See p.46 here and Intellivision advert here
• ALT2:... that RealSports Baseball was released with a number of bugs? See p.97 here
• ALT3:... that RealSports Baseball was an upgrade on Atari's "primitive" 1978 game Home Run? Weiss at p. 97 again
  • Thanks for the helpful feedback Bagumba, I've put three alternate hooks up - any of these hooky enough? FOARP (talk) 08:15, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

    @FOARP: ALT1 is promising. I'd suggest also expanding that hook to include (from the same source) that it won best sports game awards in 1983 and 1984. You will also need to update the article to reflect what's in the hook.—Bagumba (talk) 09:24, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

    • ALT1a:... that RealSports Baseball was a response to an aggressive Intellivision marketing campaign fronted by George Plimpton, and won Best Sports Game awards in 1983 from Video Game Update and in 1984 from Electronic Game Player? See p.46 here and Intellivision advert here

sufficiently hookified? FOARP (talk) 09:46, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

@FOARP: Almost there. There's a 200 character limit, so I'd suggest removing the specific publications from the hook (they still need to be added and sourced in the article). Atari should be in the hook (e.g. "that RealSports Baseball, Atari's response to ...) Remove "aggressive" from the hook (if not the article too). The Main Page draws more WP:NPOV / WP:OR scrutiny, and it would need more sources to meet WP:DUE.—Bagumba (talk) 10:32, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

* ALT1b:... that RealSports Baseball was Atari's response to an Intellivision marketing campaign fronted by George Plimpton, and won an award for best sports game awards in 1983? See p.46 here and Intellivision advert here

Hmm... having problems verifying that second best sports game award as it's not clear what magazine is being referred to, VGU renamed itself Computer Entertainer so it's already mentioned in the article. Better keep it to 1983. FOARP (talk) 14:06, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

@FOARP: From the source, it was an award for 1983 that was published in a 1984 issue. It's debatable for the hook to say it was won in 1983, "for 1983" seems more accurate. Also, the year is unclear in the current WP article prose. For hook 1b, "award" and "awards" is repetitive. Finally, the name of the publication from the source's first page is strangely "The Video Game Update includes Video Entertainer". On p.159, it reads "All awards are at the sole discretion of "THE VIDEO GAME UPDATE ..." Not directly related to the hook, but perhaps it was still more known as Video Game Update at the time of the award.—Bagumba (talk) 11:54, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks for the feedback and apologies for putting you through all these revisions. I'll update the article to note that CE was also known as VGU and clarify the year of award in the prose. Hook updated per your comments -

• ALT1c:... that RealSports Baseball was Atari's response to an Intellivision marketing campaign fronted by George Plimpton, and won a best sports game award for 1983? See p.46 here and Intellivision advert here

• ALT4 ... that RealSports Baseball, part of Atari's response to an Intellivision marketing campaign fronted by George Plimpton, won a best sports game award for 1983?

  @FOARP: I copyedited to ALT4. Baseball was just one game in the series, so I added "part". Also, the award seems to get lost as a compound sentence, so I changed it to a parenthetical. If there are any concerns, feel free to suggest another blurb.—Bagumba (talk) 15:53, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

@Bagumba: Looks great to me. Apologies over the number of revisions this has been through. FOARP (talk) 15:57, 7 March 2021 (UTC)