The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Kingsif (talk) 18:12, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
... that Ralph Fisher employed a slave ship captain that threw his 16-year-old son into the sea and sailed off without him (pictured, two British slave ships painted by George Webster)?
*Comment. This is a double nomination of a slave trader and a painter.
*Source for Ralph Fisher.Richardson in Liverpool and Transatlantic Slavery p.123-124 says; "One story of Captain Kendall is that he threw his son John overboard when rounding the rock"... "the youth had angered him in some way"... "and the father never knew that he had reached land till he came back from his voyage"
*Source for George Webster. [This website] says; "New book on the slave trade", "Maritime Museum of Denmark Oil painting (1806) in book by British painter George Webster (1797-1864) showing ships near Danish trading fort Christianborg on the Gold Coast."
Created by Desertarun (talk). Self-nominated at 08:50, 24 June 2021 (UTC).
Comment Hi. If the painting is not related, you might want to edit it out. Or, you can simply caption it British slave ships. Darwin Naz (talk) 23:23, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Comment. Hi, do the two articles I created need to be directly connected? It is possible but unlikely George Webster was actually painting Ralph Fisher's slave ships. Desertarun (talk) 07:28, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
Desertarun, there is no connection between the two articles, so this should not be a double nomination. My suggestion would be that if you want a DYK for 'George Webster, you should open a second nomination page and reference this page for the nomination date and evidence that the (original) nomination was made in a timely fashion. However, at the moment, the Webster article is just short comments on various paintings; the article needs more about Webster himself to be considered for DYK, even if it is technically long enough at the present time. This page should simply be about Ralph Fisher. The use of image by Webster in the Fisher article strikes me as having dubious justification. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:11, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: Thanks for the info. I've split the nominations and added Alt1 below. Desertarun (talk) 22:00, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Alt1 ... that Ralph Fisher employed a slave ship captain that threw his 16-year-old son into the sea and sailed off without him?
Source for Ralph Fisher.Richardson in Liverpool and Transatlantic Slavery p.123-124 says; "One story of Captain Kendall is that he threw his son John overboard when rounding the rock"... "the youth had angered him in some way"... "and the father never knew that he had reached land till he came back from his voyage"
Desertarun, could you please reword this hook and provide an ALT2? As ALT1 reads now, I thought the "his" referred back to Fisher, and that the ship's captain threw Fisher's son overboard, when it is actually the captain's son who was tossed. (As written, "his" is ambiguous.) The hook needs to be clear on this point. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:37, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Alt2 ... that Ralph Fisher employed the slave ship captain Richard Kendall, who threw his 16-year-old son John Kendall into the sea and sailed off without him?
Article needs full review. Desertarun (talk) 22:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Alt3 ... that Ralph Fisher's ships made over 100 trips carrying enslaved people, but he wasn't even one of the top five slave traders in Liverpool?
Overall: Article meets reqs for length, sourcing and did not get any hits for copyvio on earwig. I am approving all of the alts because they are properly cited and fairly interesting. Made minor tweaks to ALT3 for grammar. The painting in the original nomination is NOT approved and appears to have been withdrawn and used for a different nom re: the above discussion. BuySomeApples (talk) 00:34, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Article needs full review. Desertarun (talk) 22:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Article meets reqs for length, sourcing and did not get any hits for copyvio on earwig. I am approving all of the alts because they are properly cited and fairly interesting. Made minor tweaks to ALT3 for grammar. The painting in the original nomination is NOT approved and appears to have been withdrawn and used for a different nom re: the above discussion. BuySomeApples (talk) 00:34, 29 July 2021 (UTC)