Template:Did you know nominations/Praxis Pietatis Melica
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The result was: promoted by Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:36, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
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Praxis Pietatis Melica
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- ... that the hymnal Praxis pietatis melica (cover pictured) by Johann Crüger contained first publications of songs by Paul Gerhardt?
- Reviewed: Jerzy Zakulski
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nominated at 22:54, 19 April 2014 (UTC).
The anonymous review failed to mention neutrality, close paraphrasing, or whether the image was checked for any issues, all of which are important DYK criteria. The hook fact, which comes from the last sentence of the first paragraph, is not supported by an inline source citation as required. The article needs more work: a majority of it is the title and subtitle of the work in two languages, without much additional meat. The second paragraph, about the subtitle, could be summarized in a short sentence or two, rather than taking 704 of article's 1699 prose characters. (I'm pretty sure the 1747 date is wrong.) The only non-primary source is the one about Paul Gerhardt, and absent another source about the contents would seem to be undue emphasis on him: was he the only composer of new hymns to be included in these new editions, or the only one that has a findable secondary source? Finally, the word "important" in the intro strikes me as WP:PEA. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:33, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, - if you had asked me if I completely forgot finishing the article, the answer would have been yes. I did a bit and will add more tomorrow. The subtitle describes the work and its intention well, therefore needs space. "important" is probably not the right term (too harmless) for what is described in superlatives in university writing, better wording would be appreciated ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
New enough, long enough, well referenced. AGF on most sources in German; however, I checked a few with Google Translate and did not see any close paraphrasing issues. Hook ref AGF and cited inline. QPQ done. Image is public domain in the European Union and Australia, but lacks a United States pd tag. Interesting article. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 22:30, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
Apologies to both Yoninah and Gerda for putting a temporary hold on this. I'd earlier noted some errors in the Program section (what does that header mean?), and this will be in place until I've completed my edits, which I'll try to do in the next several hours. I didn't want to risk this being promoted while the issues remain. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:36, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
- I am always thankful for help with language. "Program" was meant to say something about purpose, laid out on the front page. Should the different chapters be mentioned? Anything else from the wealth of a complete digital version of one edition. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:18, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
- I've just finished my edits to the article, which were more extensive than I expected; I'm sorry it took me so long. I went with the original subtitle rather than the one said to be from the 39th edition (it didn't match the image), which wouldn't have been Crüger's anyway. At some point, it would be nice if post-Crüger editors could be mentioned, but that's certainly not necessary now. I'm wondering if the emphasis on Gerhardt is excessive to the point that it unbalances the article, and some of the material should be moved to his own article. In any event, I'm sure Gerda will want to look over what I've done and adjust some things, and a new approval should wait until the contents have settled. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:45, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
- I like what you did, thank you! The emphasis on Gerhardt is from the German model, - also Gerhardt is likely an author whose songs have lasted and are known, - 5 stanzas of "O Haupt voll Blut und Wunden" in the St Matthew Passion, for example. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:52, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
- Appreciate it, Gerda. Since I've done that edit, I don't think I should also reinstate the tick. Yoninah, can I ask you to review the changes and reinstate your tick if it looks okay to you? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:25, 23 May 2014 (UTC)