Template:Did you know nominations/Prawn cocktail

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The result was: promoted by BobAmnertiopsis ∴_ChatMe! 17:38, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Prawn cocktail

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... that the invention of the prawn cocktail (pictured) is attributed to the British chef Fanny Cradock?

Reviewed: Freedom Planet

5x expanded by Edwardx (talk), Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 21:54, 11 June 2014 (UTC).

Per DYK Reviewing guide In addition to at least 1,500 characters of readable prose, the article must not be a stub. This requires a judgement call, since there is no mechanical stub definition (see the Croughton-London rule). If an article is, in fact, a stub, you should temporarily reject the nomination; if the article is not a stub, ensure that it is correctly marked as a non-stub, by removing any stub template(s) in the article, and changing any talk-page assessments to start-class or higher. — Maile (talk) 21:45, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Changed the talk page to start. It is definitely no longer a stub. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:03, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Very good with your quick response. Now this is ready for a complete review. — Maile (talk) 22:31, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
- Jumping in here. This is wrong. Articles often come to DYK with a stub classification left over from before it was expanded. Re-grading the article should not be done by the article creator(s). It is quite proper, however, for the DYK reviewer to do so. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:50, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Do you want me to put it back so somebody else can remove it? Philafrenzy (talk) 22:05, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

No, it's fine. I'm just saying that the articles should be graded by an independent reviewer. Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:25, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Right then...5x expansion ok, ref 1 has recipe for sauce but does not call it Marie Rose sauce so should be before comma not after full stop there. Not sure the hook is so good as it appears to be questioned by authors of a book dedicated to prawn cocktails. I think it is interesting enough to write a hook on the sauces used as that is bizarre to those unfamiliar with prawn cocktails (which would include many people under 45)....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:22, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Ref 1 adjusted as per request by Casliber above. --Storye book (talk) 12:22, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that in North America the red sauce for prawn cocktail (pictured) includes ketchup and horseradish? --Storye book (talk) 12:22, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I have just added some extra sources. Craddock definitely didn't invent it. An ancient combination of ingredients just popularised by her on British TV. We could say Alt that she popularised it in the UK through her TV shows, or Alt that it is linked to prohibition and under-used cocktail glasses? Philafrenzy (talk) 13:16, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Right, let's go with ALT1 - incidentally we don't need the canadian source (footnote 8) as footnote 9 covers it - also footnote is strictly a recipe, but does not say it's the recipe for the source. But anyway, good to go. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:52, 27 June 2014 (UTC)