Template:Did you know nominations/Pierre Perrault (1608–1680)
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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 12:33, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Pierre Perrault (1608–1680)
- ... that Pierre Perrault
, whodeveloped the theory of the hydrologic cycle,had a brother who wrote Tales of Mother Goose? - ALT1:... that Pierre Perrault, after going bankrupt as Receiver General of Finances for Paris, developed the theory of the hydrologic cycle?
- Reviewed: Andrea Salvadori
Created by RockMagnetist (talk). Self nom at 17:21, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
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Article is too short (at least it looks that way to me). If it were longer, then maybe we'd have hook possibilities beyond the "subject is closely related to someone else" variant on offer here, a type of hook I don't really like because it's not really something about the subject, just an accident of blood. Daniel Case (talk) 18:42, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
- The article meets the 1500-character "readable prose size" criterion. I hear you about the hook, though; I'll try to come up with an alternate. RockMagnetist (talk) 18:49, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
- Multiple problems with the article even before checking against DYK requirements.
- No infobox
- Please cite the reference directly without redirecting from the "notes" section.
- Even though it meets the 1500-words long guideline, I think that it still does not provide enough information. Also, the requirement states that "In practice, articles longer than 1,500 characters may still be rejected as too short", and I believe that this is what the guideline is referring to--Lionratz (talk) 06:36, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
- I am surprised by these criteria:
- There is nothing in MOS:BIO that says that a biographical article must have an infobox. On the other hand, WP:DIB gives examples where infoboxes do more harm than good.
- Redirection ("anchors") are the whole purpose of Template:harvnb. Are you saying I shouldn't use this template?
- This article covers the basic facts of Perrault's life, his historical context and his important contributions. Isn't that enough for a new article? I created this article because it was a significant gap in WP, but I'm not an expert on the field and I have limited access to the sources I am quoting. I am trying to draw attention to this article in the hope that someone will continue to develop it. RockMagnetist (talk) 07:10, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Because the sources are either offline or under a paywall, they cannot be easily reviewed for plagiarism or verification. I accept them under assume good faith.I have revised the hook to say:
I find this hook to be very interesting: Perrault developed the theory of the water cycle. The part about his brother can be excised as unnecessary.Lionratz (talk · contribs)'s three points are all wrong. It is patently false to require an infobox, as RockMagnetist correctly points out. Template:Harvnb, a frequently used citation format, is widely accepted. DYK should not be forcing an editor to follow Lionratz's preferred format of an article.Concerns about the length of the article are not without merit. However, they fail to take into account that RockMagnetist is writing about an individual who lived in the 17th century, four hundred years ago. The statement, "In practice, articles longer than 1,500 characters may still be rejected as too short", should not be applied to articles about historical subjects such as Pierre Perrault. There are few accessible sources from the 1600s. I interpret that statement as applying to topics where there are numerous easily accessible sources, such as topics from the Internet era. That RockMagnetist was able to write a 1500-character about this 400-year-old topic is extraordinary and commendable. A seldom seen topic in DYK, Pierre Perrault (1608–1680) is worthy of being showcased on the main page. Cunard (talk) 10:54, 1 October 2011 (UTC)...that Pierre Perrault developed the theory of the hydrologic cycle?
