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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 01:59, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

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Percy Kelly (artist)

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  • ... that Percy Kelly hoarded his drawings and paintings until the end of his life, and would only sell them to people he liked?
  • ALT1: ... that Percy Kelly hoarded his drawings and paintings until the end of his life, saying that his cottage would someday "upstage Beatrix Potter's home"?

5x expanded by Andrew Davidson (talk), PamD (talk), and Cielquiparle (talk). Nominated by Cielquiparle (talk) at 23:56, 5 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Percy Kelly (artist); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

  • Thanks, have just now added an ALT1 hook. Cielquiparle (talk) 18:23, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Cielquiparle: The sources for the main hook are not given in this nomination page, but based on the article I take it the first part of the hook is sourced to this British Art Journal article, and the second part is sourced to this Westmorland Gazette article. This may seem pedantic, but I'm not comfortable with the phrasing of the second part of the hook. The Westmorland Gazette article says Percy Kelly was "reluctant to sell his paintings, except to people he truly liked...", which doesn't mean he only ever sold his paintings to people he truly liked, which is what the phrasing in the hook ("would only") and the article ("refusing...") imply. After all, he could have reluctantly sold a painting to someone he didn't like. As for ALT1, the second part of the hook is unnecessarily wordy; "saying that he believed..." could be shortened to just "saying that..." or "believing that...". Bennv123 (talk) 18:58, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

@Bennv123: Thank you very much for the careful reading! I am striking ALT0, as it is indeed rather thin to be attributing the claim to Westmorland Gazette only. As you pointed out, selling paintings to people he liked is stated there as a "preference" rather than a "policy"...and having now read more sources about his hoarding of paintings, it seems extremely complicated: Even if he liked you and sold paintings to you, he sometimes asked for them back! It also appears that in some cases, he may have simply "given" some paintings to the very few people he liked rather than selling them. Anyway, rather than try to reword the hook, I think we should just strike it. Regarding ALT1, per your advice, I have deleted "he believed" in ALT1 above to make it less wordy. Cielquiparle (talk) 10:53, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
Bennv123 (talk) 11:14, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
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