Template:Did you know nominations/Paul Rosche

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The result was: promoted by 4meter4 (talk) 20:46, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Paul Rosche

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~~...that at 1,500bhp, the engineer Paul Rosche, produced the biggest horsepower output for a Formula One engine?~~

ALT1:...that the engines designed by Paul Rosche has won two ETCC and WTCC, two 24 Hours of Le Mans and one Formula One world title?
ALT2:...that BMW engineer Paul Rosche continued to design Formula One engines for them after the company withdrew from the tournament?
ALT3:...that the engines designed by Paul Rosche can be found in the BMW 2002 Turbo, E30 M3, Brabham BT52, BMW M1, V12 LMR and the McLaren F1?
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jimmy Greene
Comment: Preferred date March 20 (first race of the 2016 Formula One season (2016 Australian Grand Prix)) considering my last hook took almost 3 months to be listed, missing its intended date by almost a month.

Created by Donnie Park (talk). Self-nominated at 17:51, 9 January 2016 (UTC).

Because one is in the prep area (23rd), another has just passed (24th), depending if another (still under construction) article does not come through, this is expected to be my 25th DYK. Donnie Park (talk) 14:01, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Alt 0 and Alt 2 are good to go. Alt 1 is not supported by the article; alt3 is in the lead but doesn't have a reference. Alts 0 and 2 are both supported by the article and the references. Article is long enough, new enough (was moved to mainspace on 9 January and nominated the same day), and has no obvious policy issues including copvio/close paraphrasing, BLP issues, or neutrality problems. Alts 0 and 2 (only) are good to go. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:27, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Is there any reason the hook differs from the article and the sources? The article says that it reached 1,500 bhp, not 1,400. Both ALT0 and ALT2 are not well written, but I can offer to help. ALT0 seems the most interesting, so would rather see if it can be fixed rather than simply going for ALT2. Jolly Ω Janner 03:49, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Jolly Janner I didn't know which number to put as sources conflict, you are very welcome to help as grammar and prose is not my strong point, thanks in advance.

The fact that the sources conflict suggest this claim isn't suitable for DYK. I'm not entirely sure how reliable either source is anyway, not to mention the ALT2 hook's fact contains an obvious typing error on grandprix.com. I think it's best to go with ALT2 in this situation; I have reworded the hook, but cannot tick it off, as I have become too involved. Jolly Ω Janner 21:49, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Jolly Janner Good news, I've found some new sources (from Motor Sport magazine), whilst the proposed hook isn't bad, what do you thing of these... One said "Murray once asked Piquet how he coped with the power. “I don’t drive,” he replied, “I get the car in the middle of the circuit and press the accelerator.” The engine was capable of putting out up to 1500bhp, and Rosche remembers the ’80s as a relentless quest for bigger numbers."

another said "Rosche asked fora 200-hire drum of the fuel for testing and, when it arrived, he took it straight to the dyno. "Suddenly the detonation was gone. We could increase the boost pressure, and the power, without problems. The maximum boost pressure we saw on the dyno was 5.6 bar absolute, at which the engine was developing more than 1400 horsepower. It was maybe 1420 or 1450 horsepower, we really don't know because we couldn't measure it — our dyno only went up to 1400.""

I could look for more but I have ran out of my free allocation for the day, so what do you think. Donnie Park (talk) 02:20, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

The sources do a good job of proving that the engine could reach 1,500 bhp. Also, if it was indeed the most powerful engine in F1 history, why do these articles not state that? It is very surprising for a magazine to not pick up on that. I find the original hook even more dubious now. Jolly Ω Janner 03:36, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

After thinking a bit more, I will give ALT2 a tick. This was originally reviewed and accepted by HJ Mitchell, but I have reworded it somewhat. A closing reviewer should probably check that my edit did not alter it enough to require a new review. Jolly Ω Janner 05:27, 10 February 2016 (UTC)