Template:Did you know nominations/Pallas's cat

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Joofjoof (talk) 05:43, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Pallas's cat

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Captive Pallas's cat

... that the Pallas's cat (pictured) was detected at an elevation of 5,593 m (18,350 ft), the highest record to date?
- ALT1:... that the Pallas's cat (pictured) has up to 9000 hairs per cm² of fur?

Improved to Good Article status by BhagyaMani (talk). Self-nominated at 16:43, 17 January 2021 (UTC).

The article was promoted to GA on January 14 and timely nominated. A QPQ is not needed, as the nominator has only one DYK credit. Both hooks seem to be sourced, but the book cited as the source for the second one doesn't appear to include the number 9000. (Btw, I personally find this number unrealistic.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 06:16, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

See page 666, 4th paragraph in Heptner & Sludskii. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 07:18, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! --Moscow Connection (talk) 07:22, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Page 666. :-) --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:14, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I have found the number in a book called Felines of the World [1] and on the Russian Geographical Society website [2]. --Moscow Connection (talk) 07:19, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
@BhagyaMani: I will approve the nomination, but I think the first hook is not clear enough. It is not clear what the record is for. (Actually, I think ALT1 is much better cause it includes the number 9000. Should I maybe just approve ALT1?) --Moscow Connection (talk) 07:26, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

5,593 m the highest elevation where a Pallas's cat has been recorded to date. What is needed to make this more clear, in your opinion? -- BhagyaMani (talk) 07:41, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Okay, maybe it is clear enough, or maybe not so much. If is were "In 2016 the Pallas's cat (pictured) was detected at an elevation of 5,593 m (18,350 ft), the highest record to date", then it would sound clearer. --Moscow Connection (talk) 08:11, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

This map, created by the nom, needs to be updated. Given the cat was found in Uttrakhand's park called Gangotri National Park as the article notes, the map should include these updates as well as other updates. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 07:53, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Anyway... I am going to approve ALT1, but is the "58,000/in²" part necessary? I'd prefer if it were simply:
- ALT1:... that the Pallas's cat (pictured) has up to 9000 hairs per cm² of fur?

--Moscow Connection (talk) 08:11, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

I removed 'in 2016'. It seems that the 1st hook was not clear enough because of these 2 words ? If that solved the problem, I much prefer to use this hook, as the source is newer. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:22, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't really like it... Now when you removed "in 2016", it is even worse. Maybe the exact date or place would be needed for the hook to sound better, I don't know... I just don't like the way it sounds... --Moscow Connection (talk) 08:59, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

What do you want me to change in this 1st hook to improve it? -- BhagyaMani (talk) 09:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

I like ALT1 better anyway. And there's another user who voted for it.
By the way, I've expanded the article a bit. I initially thought that the meme was the reason you expanded the article and promoted it to GA. And that you intentionally chose a hook that included the number 9000. But now it seems it was just a coincidence. :-) --Moscow Connection (talk) 12:12, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

@Mandarax: What do you think about the version without the "58,000/in²" part in parentheses? It the part really necessary? It looks bad cause it splits the sentence in the wrong place, leaving the last part of the sentence rather unattached. --Moscow Connection (talk) 08:59, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

It's standard to include conversions for all quantities. You can remove it if you want to, but most likely someone would add it again somewhere along the line before or during its Main Page appearance. (Although it is a little more complicated than the usual {{convert}}, so maybe nobody would bother.) MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 09:33, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thank you! I'm removing the part then. --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:10, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

In my initial edit, I didn't use the converter. This was added shortly after my nomination, 1st to the template, then to the page itself. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:22, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

I also support ALT1, but prefer updating the map as I described above before DYK is finalized. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 08:23, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

I agree that an update of the map is warranted. But the latest published map dates 2020 and shows the polygon in Armenia as 'possibly extinct', which is not correct any more. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:36, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Approving ALT1, which I think is both educational and entertaining. --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:10, 18 January 2021 (UTC)