Template:Did you know nominations/Our Lady of Guadalupe Parish Church (Pagsanjan)

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The result was: promoted by — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:43, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Our Lady of Guadalupe Parish Church (Pagsanjan)

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... that the original image of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Pagsanjan Church (pictured) was a gift from Mexico, and was installed at the main altar in 1688?

Created by Carlojoseph14 (talk). Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk) at 19:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC).

Long enough, within policy, good hook, not nominated by creator, etc.; AGF on offline sources. Good to go. —innotata 10:25, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

I removed all the close paraphrasing and added some online refs to verify the information. I would appreciate the page creator reviewing his offline source for the paragraph under Features to make sure there is no close paraphrasing there. A cite is also needed in the paragraph under In Popular Culture, per DYK rules. Yoninah (talk) 23:34, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I reviewed the said section (Features) and tried my best not to have any close paraphrasing. Added citation on the section In popular section and the line on the lead paragraph, and the oldest church in the Philippines under the patronship of Our Lady of Guadalupe. Thanks. --Carlojoseph14 (talk) 03:06, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

The citation that you added to the lead is a Commons image as well as a primary ref, so I made it an image instead. For DYK purposes, this is a start-class article and therefore doesn't need a cite on every sentence, especially in the lead, so I removed the cite. I don't find any mention of filming taking place in the side chapel in the source you added to In Popular Culture. Yoninah (talk) 09:31, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

In my own opinion, the marker for the decree of erection is not a primary source since the marker retells that the church was the first church established under the advocacy of the Our Lady of Guadalupe and is not written by persons directly involved in the establishment of the church but later by church official hundred of years later after collecting foundation dates of all church today under the same advocacy. The marker is the document available to the public. There is another paper document for the decree of erection under the custody of the church administration. So, technically, the marker is a duplicate of a document--Carlojoseph14 (talk) 11:09, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Removed the line about the side chapel to On Popular Culture section. Carlojoseph14 (talk) 14:41, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

If the marker is written by a church official and posted in the church, it is considered a primary source. Please read WP:PRIMARY. The way to get around this rule is to find independent sources that provide the same information. In the section On Popular Culture, thank you for amending the text to reflect the information in the source – but since the source talks about Pagsanjan and not the church, the information doesn't really belong in this article, so I deleted it. For the sources you have, you have produced a good "start" article, and for that, it's ready for the main page. Hook ref verified and cited inline. Image is pd. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 20:39, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarifications! Carlojoseph14 (talk) 03:37, 21 September 2014 (UTC)