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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PumpkinSky talk 23:50, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Operation Head Start

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Created/expanded by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 15:34, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

  • It's new enough (although the expansion occurred on 6 August, not 9 August, so it should be moved to that date), it's long enough, neutral, short enough hook. No image.
The issues with the nomination are as follows:
1. Only a single source is cited, which is a film at Youtube. According to supplementary rule D12: "Multiple sources are generally required...".
2. The hook fact is not cited in the article. Specifically, the "...predecessor to Operation Chrome Dome..." bit is not cited.
3. As for the QPQ requirement, I'm not quite sure that "It's good!" counts as a review, especially as this seems to be the only type of review the nominator is doing. Manxruler (talk) 14:18, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
  • I added two sources, cited the hook, and as for the reviewing thing, I actually would love to know if I'm supposed to give more specific reviews, as I'm used to the old way of doing it. I gave it a quick lookover, with the sources, length, hook, and everything else checking out. As a result, I reviewed it. Then again, I'm used to more AFC-style reviews, so if you want a more thorough review in the future, please let me know! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:02, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Re-reviewing. #1 taken care of. As for #3, what I'm saying is that stating what things you've done is helpful for everybody, including the nominator. Quite a few people just gloss over things very superficially. Among the things we're supposed to do is checking for copyvio and plagiarism, which requires a certain level of thoroughness. As for #2, I can't actually find a reference to Op. Chrome Dome in the George Washington University source, could you point out for me where in the US Air Force document I can find it? The search function in that document doesn't seem to help. Manxruler (talk) 00:57, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Further, is the title of the article correct? Both the film and the George Washington University source appears to use "Headstart". Manxruler (talk) 01:02, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Only unreliable sources say that it was a predecessor, as nothing outright says it. It was more of a testbed for the subject from the looks of it, but there is nothing stating that. In terms of reviewing, I would be more than happy to do that in the future. Also, the title is something I considered when making it, and I have come to that conclusion that it is correct, since it is two words, not one. I have also seen, "...Head Start I", but I know there was another Head Start, so I don't really know what was going on there. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:32, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
  • So no reliable sources actually support what the hook says? Well, that's problematic, to say the least. We can't really have a hook that's not supported by reliable sources. Manxruler (talk) 19:19, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Okay. I would still have liked to see page numbers for the US Air Force document, but I can verify the hook by looking at the George Washington University page. It's DYK ready. Manxruler (talk) 18:14, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
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