Template:Did you know nominations/No Land's Song
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:30, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
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No Land's Song
[edit]- ... that the documentary film No Land's Song spotlights women's protests against an Iranian ban on public female solo singing before male audiences?
Created by Alifatehighahfarokhi (talk) and 7&6=thirteen (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:52, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
General eligibility:
- New enough:
- Long enough:
- 1282 characters (214 words) "readable prose size". You should convert the section on reception into prose.
Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing: - Multiple paragraphs in the synopsis are unreferenced. I understand that not every film will have a reliably published source that gives a description of its synopsis, but at the very least provide a citation to the primary source. "This musical collaboration is said to reopen a "musical bridge" uniting France and Iran." certainly needs an independent citation, however.
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - I think it might overstep the line on fair-use rationale by quoting such a large section of the NYT. Suggest splitting it up and focusing on quoting only the key adjectives or phrases and using your own words. You could do the same with the rest of the reviews, but the NYT is the only that I feel could be of concern.
- Other problems: - "Will the aforementioned group of women open a door and liberate female solo singers in Iran?" this reads like a review piece and is not appropriate language for Wikipedia.
Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - "Ayat Najafi's documentary is about the fight for a woman's right to sing in Iran." this is the closest cited material I can find to back up the hook, but it doesn't mean the same thing. The hook specifies that its solo singers and before male audiences.
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Overall: 
I couldn't find any reviews that gave bad things to say about this, but if any do exist it would be great to add it to the article for balance. Jolly Ω Janner 08:08, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- Reply
- Hook reference I don't understand your comment about the hook. You say: "this is the closest cited material I can find to back up the hook, but it doesn't mean the same thing." The article states: "In the wake of the revolution of 1979, the new regime forbids women in Iran to sing publicly as soloists in front of men." Another source state: "In the concert she dedicates her solo to the Iranian youth from the Tunisian youth. Instead of a celebration of the female voice, it seems to have become a much more obvious act of rebellion." It is now in line cited to at least these three sources: "No Land's Song". Noor Iranian Film Fesival. Retrieved 9 February 2016.
In Iran, since the revolution of 1979, women are no longer allowed to sing in public as soloists - at least in front of men.
"Synopsis". nolandssong.com. 15 January 2015. Retrieved 16 January 2011.Purkiss, Jessica (20 March 2015). "No Land's Song: The women whose voice will not be silenced". Middle East Monitor. Retrieved March 9, 2015. - Citations Every paragraph is now cited.
- Balance I have not been able to find negative reviews, so theoretical "balance" may not be achievable, and has noting to do with WP:DYK criteria. I did add some text about the purported religious justification for the ban, which provides more context.
- Length Removing the table from the calculations (I don't want to destroy the table as it makes the article better), I still get 3423
2959characters of readable prose, which is more than twice the standard and way more than enough. The article lists at over 10,383 bytes, but obviously that doesn't count. I also know that references don't count. However, the section "Reception" is prose, not poetry and not a table, infobox or reference. I sent you an e-mail with the text I used to calculate the number. Maybe you dropped a section? - Fair use I cut the NY Times review in half.
- Other problem Cut out the "other problem."
- Query Are we good to go yet? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:56, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
Article is now at 1,496 characters, which is good enough for me (also see my final comments). Every paragraph has at least one citation. The New York Times review is probably not overly quoted any more. There's still a sentence in the synopsis which says "Will they succeed?" without quotation marks and its presence is confusing; are we talking to the reader of our article? It's a minor point and I won't hold it against a DYK tick. The hook is now covered in the article in the first paragraph of synopsis and with a verified inline citation. I would also like to address a couple of points raised by the nominator to help in future DYK processes. User:Shubinator/DYKcheck is a tool often used to assess the size of DYK nominations and it does not include lists as prose. In the case of this article the reception section was a combination of prose but in the format of a list, so I suggested converting it entirely into prose to not only satisfy any doubts in the charachter count, but also to improve the manual of style. The article's content which backs up the hook originaly had no citation in the paragraph at all. I understand this was likely a result of a copyedit that occured post-nomination, so understand why this caused confusion. Thanks for the work of everyone involved in this article. Regards, Jolly Ω Janner 04:56, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
