The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:30, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
... that Nettie Lee Benson is the namesake of a Latin American library containing over 1 million books and over 100,000 photographs? Source: "Today the Benson is one of the premier libraries and archives of Latin American and U.S. Latino/a material in the world, with holdings that include over 1,000,000 books in the circulating collection...more than 20,000 maps and 100,000 photographs...." Julianne Gilland and Melissa Guy, "Collections as Collaborators" in Latin American Collection Concepts: Essays on Libraries, Collaborations and New Approaches, p. 78. [1]
ALT1:... that Nettie Lee Benson's doctoral dissertation on Mexican independence has been published in Spanish and English? Source:"The dissertation, completed in 1949....was translated into Spanish...and in 1992, an expanded version was published by the University of Texas Press as The Provincial Deputation in Mexico: Harbinger of Provincial Autonomy, Independence and Federalism." Crawford and Ragsdale, "Nettie Lee Benson" in Texas Women: Frontier to Future, p. 180. [2]
ALT2:... that Nettie Lee Benson—a historian, librarian, and archivist—learned how to graft trees at her father’s nursery? Source: "J. W. Benson planted and grafted citrus trees....Years later she recalled that she 'loved grafting trees'...." Crawford and Ragsdale, "Nettie Lee Benson" in Texas Women: Frontier to Future, p. 175–176.[3]
ALT3:... that Nettie Lee Benson is the namesake of the Latin American Collection at the University of Texas? Source: Julianne Gilland and Melissa Guy, "Collections as Collaborators" in Latin American Collection Concepts: Essays on Libraries, Collaborations and New Approaches, p. 78. [4]
Created by Oldsanfelipe2 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:18, 16 February 2020 (UTC).
@Oldsanfelipe2: I will take this review and help guide you through the DYK process. Michael Barera (talk) 01:18, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Overall: My apologies for being a little slow in getting to this review. My personal favorites for the hook are the hook proper and ALT3, although this may be because of my bias as an archivist. I was able to confirm the citations on both of those, and I am accepting ALT1 and ALT2 in good faith because I don't have access to that book. I'm also accepting the book sources in the body of the article in good faith, too. Note that this is Oldsanfelipe2's first DYK nomination and thus QPQ doesn't apply. Nice work, Oldsanfelipe2! I really enjoyed reading this article and reviewing this nomination, and I look forward to working with you more in the future! Michael Barera (talk) 16:45, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, Michael Barera. I'm just wondering if you find any of the hooks hooky? ALT0 tells us nothing about her personally. ALT1 seems pretty lightweight. ALT2, while an interesting hook fact about the grafting, really has nothing to do with her actual contribution and notability. ALT3 has the same problem as ALT0. Yoninah (talk) 17:10, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. Given the way the article is written and the way the inline citations fall, this is the best I can do with the hooks. They will need to succeed or fail the way they are now written. Oldsanfelipe2 (talk) 17:36, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
We at DYK try to promote the best hooks possible; otherwise our project will succeed or fail. I have added another line to the article to explain her motivation for immersing herself in Mexican history and would like to propose this alt hook:
I'm OK with ALT4, and the citation for it checks out. Yoninah, I agree with you about ALT3 being the most "hooky", but it is not directly related to her life's work. How about trying to combine it and the original hook proposal? Maybe something like this:
Let me know what you think. If it is a dud in your eyes, I'm totally happy with ALT4. Michael Barera (talk) 20:57, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Seriously? Grafting plants was something she did as a youth. Having a library named after you is an honor accorded many people. ALT5 doesn't tell us anything about her. Yoninah (talk) 21:41, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
I think it is better than ALT4, but if no one else objects to ALT4, I'm OK with running it. Michael Barera (talk) 17:21, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
@Michael Barera: you think it is hookier -- why? Grafting plants is hooky, but it has nothing to do with her accomplishments. Yoninah (talk) 17:35, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
A lot of people have libraries named after them, in most cases because of the largesse of a great benefactor. Benson made the library what it is mostly on her own efforts. Her name on the collection represents decades of sweat equity. But for Benson, the Latin American Collection would likely be some obscure archival library which would fail Wikipedia's notability standards. I cannot, however, make these more specific claims into hooks since no source cited makes these specific claims. But it's definitely a conclusion that follows from reading the article. Oldsanfelipe2 (talk) 18:16, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
@Oldsanfelipe2: I recently wrote an article about a woman who had a library named after her. She was a teacher, so my hook talked about her as a teacher. You can write any hook based on the information you present in your article, but it would make more sense to talk about her founding the library than having it named after her. Yoninah (talk) 18:52, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
My apologies for being a little slow in getting to this review. My personal favorites for the hook are the hook proper and ALT3, although this may be because of my bias as an archivist. I was able to confirm the citations on both of those, and I am accepting ALT1 and ALT2 in good faith because I don't have access to that book. I'm also accepting the book sources in the body of the article in good faith, too. Note that this is Oldsanfelipe2's first DYK nomination and thus QPQ doesn't apply. Nice work, Oldsanfelipe2! I really enjoyed reading this article and reviewing this nomination, and I look forward to working with you more in the future! Michael Barera (talk) 16:45, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, Michael Barera. I'm just wondering if you find any of the hooks hooky? ALT0 tells us nothing about her personally. ALT1 seems pretty lightweight. ALT2, while an interesting hook fact about the grafting, really has nothing to do with her actual contribution and notability. ALT3 has the same problem as ALT0. Yoninah (talk) 17:10, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. Pinging Michael Barera to review ALT4. Yoninah (talk) 20:22, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
