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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 23:26, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

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National Māori flag

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The Tino Rangatiratanga flag
The Tino Rangatiratanga flag

Converted from a redirect by NotAWittyFish (talk). Self-nominated at 02:17, 20 September 2022 (UTC).

  • Nice work. Article is new enough, long enough, with inline citations and reliable secondary sources, in addition to primary. Earwig says copyvio "unlikely"; there was one passage in particular I felt was too close to the original source, which I've modified a bit. (Be careful in future.) Image is in public domain and is very striking, excellent for DYK! QPQ is not required, as it's possibly the very first DYK submission (or at least, one of the first) for NotAWittyFish. The hooks are where I'm a little stuck, as the source provided for the original hook does not actually say what is stated in the hook – although it does mention that the white design can be interpreted as a white cloud over Aotearoa, that's not quite the same as what the hook says, if that makes sense. Even though it's close, it feels like there's a bit of an interpretive leap there. Similarly, in ALT1...I'm not sure if the "submissions" are the same as a "popular vote"? And also, wouldn't it be more accurate to say "preferred" national flag or to qualify somehow? Anyway... As much as I liked the hooks to start with, and very much appreciate simple and concise hooks, I think the hooks need a bit more work based on what the sources say. Or perhaps submit some additional ALT hooks for consideration? Cielquiparle (talk) 08:46, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
@NotAWittyFish: What do you think of these (slightly tweaked versions of your ALTs)?
  • @Cielquiparle:If the symbols are mentioned I'd prefer if the meaning of the symbols is also explained (So either original or ALT2 from above) but your ALT1b sounds good to me. Thanks! NotAWittyFish (talk) 23:03, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
  • @NotAWittyFish: Nearly there! I agree that ALT2 and ALT1b are best so far (I just changed "public input process" to "public consultation" in 1b as it's easier to scan and matches what the article says), and have crossed out some of the others so there's no confusion for the DYK promoter who gets to choose their favourite hook. As much as I like your original hook (because it's so simple and clean), I worry that if we run that on the main page, #TeamKoru will get upset that we left it out (especially given that most explanations of the design lead with it). So anyway, I just have one more ALT hook for your consideration below... What do you think? (If you think 2 ideas in 1 is too much...or if it turns out the word "pictured" counts against the 200-character limit...maybe we scrap it.)
  • ALT3:
  • ALT3a: ... that the white design on the national Māori flag of New Zealand (pictured) is both a koru or fern frond, representing renewal and hope, as well as the eponymous "long white cloud" over Aotearoa?
Cielquiparle (talk) 11:34, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Good to go, per review above, with hooks ALT2, ALT1b, and ALT3a, all of which point to the public domain image. Cielquiparle (talk) 15:20, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
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