Template:Did you know nominations/My Hands

The following is an archived discussion of My Hands's DYK nomination. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page; such as this archived nomination"s (talk) page, the nominated article's (talk) page, or the Did you know (talk) page. Unless there is consensus to re-open the archived discussion here. No further edits should be made to this page. See the talk page guidelines for (more) information.

The result was: promoted by Carabinieri (talk) 19:00, 23 February 2013 (UTC).

My Hands

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... that Leona Lewis thought that her song "My Hands" was the "perfect fit" for the Final Fantasy XIII theme song?

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bedros Keresteciyan

Created by Calvin999 (talk). Self nom at 01:11, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Pass

Article:New-

Former redirect, expanded more than fivefold to 4166 characters.

Article:Length-

Pass

Article:Within Policy-

appears to pass neutrality;

no citations in the lead section, but this isn't a good article review, so I will take good faith at the absence of citations in the lead;

passed copyright violations per earwig@toolserver:copyvio

Hook:Format-

Hook is 110 characters in length

Hook:Content-

Hook is interesting if the reader is a gamer or likes Leona Lewis; ~~is verified by a source on youtube known as gamer spawn, I am unsure as to whether it is a reliable source, please take this to Reliable Source Noticeboard for review~~

assuming good faith regarding validity of source used to verify the hook statement;

is neutral and not negative of a living person

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reviewed other DKY Nominee, and

no image used

I will watch this DYKN, please let us know what the consensus is at RSN. If all turns out well, and gamer spawn is a reliable source, no other issues should remain, and I will happily pass this DYKN.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 08:36, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

I have posted a discussion. — AARON • ^TALK 13:10, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

For those interested in adding their opinion please see the discussion here.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 00:20, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Since this is on hold, I'm reiterating the ? icon here; otherwise, the bot thinks this is approved and the date shows up on T:DYK/Q as having one approved hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:54, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

As of 19 February, no one has responded to the request to evaluate the source again WP:RS.

Therefore, I will assume good faith regarding the source, without weighing in whether it is or is not a reliable source.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:57, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. — AARON • ^TALK 15:35, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

The reliability of sources is always contextual. In the context of this hook, the linked video shows that Leona Lewis did indeed say "I never would have imagined 'My Hands' as such a perfect fit for Final Fantasy XIII". I therefore judge that linked video as a reliable source for the hook except that you cannot surely hook what she was thinking. How about replacing thought that with said that? --Senra (talk) 17:32, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Please be aware that the final (lowest) listed icon (currently the ? from 15 February) is what holds sway, and changing earlier icons is confusing for someone who wishes to promote the article and is trying to trace what has happened in the course of the review. I'd also like to request that RightCowLeftCoast not use multiple icons in future single review entries, as it is quite confusing: icons were designed as a single summation for a complete review entry, while later entries can have a new icon that fits that entry as a whole. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:53, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean @BlueMoonset. My comment previous to yours, including its edit summary, implicitly recognised the ? from 15 February. I believed though that RightCowLeftCoast meant to add the AGF tick icon on 19 February. It is true that I muddied the waters slightly with my "except that you cannot surely hook what she was thinking" but the nom or reviewer RightCowLeftCoast can easily ignore my comment. In summary, I think this is good to go and is just waiting for RightCowLeftCoast to add the correct symbol (unless I am missing something?) --Senra (talk) 20:58, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Senra, I'm sorry if I've confused you: since your remark in the edit summary mentioned the missing tick, I took a look, and it seemed to me that what RightCowLeftCoast may have done is to change the icon at the very top of the review, and the word next to it to "Pass" (it had certainly used to say "On Hold"), plus perhaps alter some internal icons and wording. So my comment was more to RCLC than to you: to point out that the lowest icon is the one that promoters look at, and without doing review updates (with the summary icon) at the bottom, people won't know what the status is. It's also confusing to people trying to figure out what happened when the original review is changed, making nonsense of subsequent comments. The nomination may in fact be good to go, but it needs a proper signal from a reviewer, and we haven't had that yet. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:32, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

I am just attempting to be thurough with my review per the established criteria for DYK. Are there other pictoral symbols that can be used to indicate whether a hook passes or fails certain criterea?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:44, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

I appreciate the thoroughness, but words alone should be used to indicate whether a particular criterion is passed or failed. The pictorial symbols are only supposed to give a single picture of the overall review: an "at-a-glance" view of the nomination status, so someone can tell immediately whether it has been approved or needs additional work. (If this nomination has been approved, which I think is the case, an overall summary symbol should be given below, along with a brief explanation, so the nomination can proceed.) BlueMoonset (talk) 20:52, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

OK, I am approving this DYK.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 01:56, 23 February 2013 (UTC)