Template:Did you know nominations/Mural with Blue Brushstroke & Mermaid
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Mentoz86 (talk) 14:32, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Mural with Blue Brushstroke, Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)
[edit]... that Roy Lichtenstein was commissioned to create Mural with Blue Brushstroke, but his first commission for public art was Mermaid?
Created/expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 13:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- I am withdrawing Template:Did you know nominations/Underclass All-American. So I will reuse 9th of 12 QPQs for Template:Did you know nominations/Kieran Govers, Simon Orchard, Robert Hammond, Nathan Burgers, Matthew Butturini, Kiel Brown, Joel Carroll, Mark Knowles (field hockey), Fergus Kavanagh, Glenn Turner (field hockey), Jason Wilson (field hockey), Russell Ford.— Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 20:24:21, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Both the 'Mural' and 'Mermaid' articles are a little too short with 1481 and 1491 characters, removing all the quotes. Mikenorton (talk) 22:12, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
- Is there a new rule about removing all the quotes? Quotes are prose.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:15, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
- P.S. pages reformatted and expanded.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:25, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
- OK, re-reading the rules I see that it only mentions 'block quotes', so sorry - not that a small increase will have harmed these articles and thanks for that. The articles are both new enough and long enough with enough citations. AGF for Plagiarism/copyvio. I don't personally find the hook that interesting - perhaps something referring to them being amongst his few major commissioned pieces of public art (based on this)? Mikenorton (talk) 21:08, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
- I am not comfortable with the change you are suggesting because I don't believe the source you are pointing me to is complete. Those are selected commissions.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:18, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
- OK, fair enough, how about (based on the same source)
ALT1 ... that Mural with Blue Brushstroke and Mermaid were amongst Roy Lichtenstein's major commissioned pieces of public art?Mikenorton (talk) 21:10, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
- That is O.K., but it seems less interesting than the original.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:57, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
What is going on with this nom?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:10, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
- ALT 2 ... that Roy Lichtenstein's first commissioned public art Mermaid was regarded as "dazzlingly silly and provocative" while his later effort Mural with Blue Brushstroke was “a hedonistic view of earthly insignificance"? Froggerlaura ribbit 21:26, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
- I find myself singularly underwhelmed by the article about Mermaid. From the article, I couldn't figure out where it is (the location is a redlink). A little web research indicates that it's not in Miami proper (as the article states), but in Miami Beach, at the Jackie Gleason Center at the Miami Beach Convention Center. (See this article for more information.) There have been problems with maintenance of the artwork, but it was restored and rededicated in 2001 (according to this webpage) and again in 2010 (according to this page). The Jackie Gleason Center is being torn down (or perhaps has already been torn down), and I haven't figured out what the current status of the sculpture is. I don't believe that an article that is so unclueful about its topic as this one is deserves to be featured on the main page. --Orlady (talk) 22:17, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
- Regarding hooks, IMO the best way to handle these is to look for separate hooks for the two articles. There is no particularly good reason to connect these two articles, as only thing these artworks appear to have in common is that they were commissioned as public art. However, Mural with Blue Brushstroke incorporates elements of the artist's other works, including Artist's Studio—Look Mickey, which in turn incorporates another earlier work. IMO, Blush Brushstroke should be combined with the May 9th nomination for Artist's Studio—Look Mickey and Look Mickey, to make a single 3-article hook. See Template:Did you know nominations/Artist's Studio—Look Mickey, Look Mickey. --Orlady (talk) 22:28, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
- I believe that you are mistaken regarding the sampling of a sampling of work that you describe.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:14, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
- As of February 2012, the theater is still standing [1] so I would assume the sculpture is still there. Froggerlaura ribbit 23:37, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
- I see no compelling reasons to pair up these two articles in particular for a double DYK hook. Please split them up.
- ALT 3 ... that Mermaid in Miami Beach was Roy Lichtenstein's first commissioned public art?
- ALT 3.1 ... that Mermaid in Miami Beach was the first ever commissioned public art in Roy Lichtenstein's professional career? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.118.187 (talk) 16:26, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
- ALT 4 ... that rather than the five colors he generally uses, Roy Lichtenstein used eighteen colors in Mural with Blue Brushstroke?
- --69.158.118.187 (talk) 03:38, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
- I had paired them up mainly because I had nominated about 3 dozen Roy Lichtenstein articles paired up into about 2 dozen hooks within a week and common procedure when you are nominating dozens of similar articles is to pair them up. You might look at two of them that have been paired up and say these two don't really have to go together, but when you think about putting 3 dozen similar hooks onto the main page it is best for the group of them if you pair a lot of them up. In this case we are pairing up his two most prominent commissioned works (which obviously go together naturally). Of course, if you prefer when I do 3 dozen similar hooks I could make it a policy to nominate them all individually.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:50, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
- Given the need for balance in DYK hook sets, the DYK regulars appreciate your efforts to combine two articles into a dual hook. The problem is that, although there are interesting aspects in both articles, the combined hook about public-art commissions is duller than dishwater. A small army of reviewers has been trying to come up with a more interesting hook, but the fact is that the two artworks seem to have little in common. --Orlady (talk) 05:04, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, those are two pretty damn dull articles, which makes hook finding difficult. I am not sure separating them makes the hooks that much better.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:37, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
- I don't know about that. The anon's suggested hook for "Blue Brushstroke" is a whole lot more interesting than the fact that it was one of Lichtenstein's several commissioned pieces of public art. As for "Mermaid", I thought there was a lot of interesting content in the various webpages I turned up, mostly about the various problems encountered over the years in maintaining the sculpture. --Orlady (talk) 15:45, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
- Alt 2 is O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:57, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
- I don't know about that. The anon's suggested hook for "Blue Brushstroke" is a whole lot more interesting than the fact that it was one of Lichtenstein's several commissioned pieces of public art. As for "Mermaid", I thought there was a lot of interesting content in the various webpages I turned up, mostly about the various problems encountered over the years in maintaining the sculpture. --Orlady (talk) 15:45, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, those are two pretty damn dull articles, which makes hook finding difficult. I am not sure separating them makes the hooks that much better.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:37, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
- It's great to have about 3 dozens of Roy Lichtenstein related nominations, but it's best to spread them out rather than bunching them together for no reason. If you want to make policy, then decide on whether to bunch them up base on the availability of a good hook. --69.158.118.187 (talk) 05:20, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
- Given the need for balance in DYK hook sets, the DYK regulars appreciate your efforts to combine two articles into a dual hook. The problem is that, although there are interesting aspects in both articles, the combined hook about public-art commissions is duller than dishwater. A small army of reviewers has been trying to come up with a more interesting hook, but the fact is that the two artworks seem to have little in common. --Orlady (talk) 05:04, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
- I had paired them up mainly because I had nominated about 3 dozen Roy Lichtenstein articles paired up into about 2 dozen hooks within a week and common procedure when you are nominating dozens of similar articles is to pair them up. You might look at two of them that have been paired up and say these two don't really have to go together, but when you think about putting 3 dozen similar hooks onto the main page it is best for the group of them if you pair a lot of them up. In this case we are pairing up his two most prominent commissioned works (which obviously go together naturally). Of course, if you prefer when I do 3 dozen similar hooks I could make it a policy to nominate them all individually.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:50, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
ALT2 is fine and supported by sources in the articles and ALT3 & ALT4 similarly as individual hooks. I'll leave it up to the promoting editor to decide whether to split into two or not. Mikenorton (talk) 22:37, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
I have moved ALT 3 (Mermaid) to Prep 4, and I am going to move ALT 4 to Prep 2 later on (to not get 4 Roy Lichtenstein DYK's in a row). Mentoz86 (talk) 13:46, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
- Why don't you close this and move consideration of the Mural to Template:Did you know nominations/Artist's Studio—Look Mickey, Look Mickey, which is also considering it for a multi hook.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:09, 9 June 2012 (UTC)