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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 17:32, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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Misumena vatia

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  • ... that Misumena vatia, the goldenrod crab spider, can change colors between white and yellow depending on the color of the flowers on which it lives? Source: [1]

5x expanded by Eanisman (talk). Self-nominated at 01:07, 26 October 2020 (UTC).

  • DYK Check says that the article hasn't been expanded 5x within the last 10 days. Article was at 6,676 bytes when you started improving it, and now is at 22,079. Needs to be 33,380. Can you lengthen it that much? DrThneed (talk) 05:06, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
  • I've expanded the article past 33,380 and cleaned up the references section to the best of my ability. Let me know if I've missed anything or need to add anything else. Thanks!

Eanisman (talk) 00:28, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Eanisman great, I'll continue the review.DrThneed (talk) 02:52, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your review. The alternate hook sounds good to me! I'm also new to DYK so I'm not sure if I should go ahead and change the proposed hook to reflect your suggestions. I'll leave it as is for now. Eanisman (talk) 03:55, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Article length and age fine after first review. Copyvio notes problems but that's with a site that repeats Wikipedia info. Eanisman You might consider changing the hook to make it clear that it is an individual spider that can change colour, not that individuals found on different plants are different colours? So I might suggest something like ... that an individual goldenrod crab spider, Misumena vatia, can change color between white and yellow depending on the color of the flowers on which it lives? Looks like nominator's first DYK nomination, so no QPQ required. I have marked this as requiring another editor to review not because it needs a lot of work but because I am a new DYK reviewer seeking a second opinion. I am specifically wanting to check that a) my suggested ALT hook is OK, b) how closely the wording of the hook should match the article text. The information about colour changing in the article is contained in two paragraphs with four sources. So the information is summarised into the hook accurately, as far as I can tell, but the hook itself does not appear in the same or similar form in the article. Is this normal? DrThneed (talk) 03:43, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Giving a second opinion here. Most of the checks appear to be good, and to answer DrThneed's question: hook facts do not always need to be word-by-word copied from the article, as long as the hook facts are mentioned and the hook's representation of them are accurate. With that said, I think the original hook wording is still better since mentioning the common name and the scientific name seems redundant; a possible solution could be to just present the common name as the name in the hook while giving a pipe link to the scientific name. But the outstanding issue right now is that, according to WP:DYK rules, any sentence that mentions hook facts must have an inline citation even if the relevant citation is already used elsewhere in the article. In this case, the main sentence appears to be These spiders have the unusual ability to match the color of the yellow or white flower with great accuracy. They are able to match with greater accuracy to white flowers, which is currently lacking a footnote. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:22, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
It appears that the nominator is a student editor who is editing as part of a course. As they haven't edited since the end of October, I'm pinging the instructor Agelaia and the relevant Wiki Ed staff (Helaine (Wiki Ed) and Ian (Wiki Ed)) to see if the student can be contacted regarding this. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:04, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I have emailed the instructor and asked them to let the student know about the follow-up question. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:58, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello Narutolovehinata5, sorry for the delayed response. I've added the appropriate inline citation and proposed an alternative hook including the piped link. Eanisman (talk) 17:12, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT1: ... that the goldenrod crab spider can change colors between white and yellow depending on the color of the flowers on which it lives? Source: [1]
It's good with me, but as Narutolovehinata5 suggested an alternative hook, it's probably good if they approve the ALT. DrThneed (talk) 03:27, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
I do not have access to the journal that's used as a citation, so I am assuming good faith on its reliability. As there are no remaining issues found by me or DrThneed, this should be good to go. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:26, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, and tagged one paragraph that lacks any cite per Rule D2. Yoninah (talk) 16:56, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Hi, I've updated the paragraph with the appropriate citations! -Eanisman (talk) 17:15, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Restoring tick per Narutolovehinata5's review. Yoninah (talk) 17:31, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ a b "The functional morphology of color changing in a spider: development of ommochrome pigment granules". Journal of Experimental Biology.
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