Template:Did you know nominations/Milk War

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:13, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Milk War

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Flags of Russia and Belarus

~~... that Russia and Belarus (flags pictured) fought a Milk War in June 2009?~~
- ALT1:... that when political tensions rise between Russia and Belarus (flags pictured), Russia has banned Belarusian dairy products due to alleged "health hazards"?
- ALT2:... that Russia began the Milk War of June 2009 after Belarus (both flags pictured) refused to take-up a $500 million loan?

Reviewed: Dua Saleh and Super Lemon Haze. 16:23, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

5x expanded by Nice4What (talk). Self-nominated at 16:16, 19 February 2020 (UTC).

General eligibility:

New enough:
Long enough:
Other problems: - Doesn't appear to have been expanded five-fold.

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - Not adequately cited in the case of ALT0.
Interesting:
Other problems: - Instead of mentioning the month in ALT0 and ALT2, I suggest mentioning the length of the "war" alongside the year. The wording of ALT1 is a bit weak and could be changed to mention the repeated nature of the bans. ALT2 uses a problematic phrase ("take-up") that needs replacement.

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The five-fold expansion is the biggest hang-up with this nomination. A shame, given how interesting the premise is. Sounder Bruce 07:42, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: Should be five-fold expansion when excluding the lede, which doesn't count for character count anyways. Using this tool, the article increased from 2,641 characters to 15,059 characters by the end of February 19 (the day I nominated the article for DYK). The article is now at 17,700 characters. Also proposing ALT 3: "... that a trade dispute between Russia and Belarus (flags pictured) over dairy products has been called the Milk War?" and ALT 4: "... that in the lead-up to the Milk War, Russia allegedly offered Belarus (both flags pictured) $500 million to recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia?" Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 15:37, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

The fivefold expansion requirement does not exclude the lead. The previous version had 2,699 characters of readable prose, and the latest revision has 11,062 characters of readable prose, which falls short of the 13,495 characters needed to fulfill the fivefold criteria. Also, I don't think ALT3 is interesting and ALT4 only uses allegations, which I don't find to be solid enough. Sounder Bruce 20:39, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

ALT0a: ... that Russia and Belarus (flags pictured) fought an eleven-day Milk War?
ALT1a: ... that Russia has repeatedly banned Belarusian dairy products (both flags pictured) due to alleged "health hazards" during heightened political tensions?
ALT2a: ... that Russia began an eleven-day Milk War after Belarus (both flags pictured) refused to take a $500 million loan?

@SounderBruce: I'd still argue in favor of ALT4 since it's pretty apparent that Russian denials are often false, but I can understand why you wouldn't want to use it. I'm not sure if I'm using the word count right, but I've substantially expanded the article since the last revision. Has it met the five-fold threshold yet? Thank you. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 23:21, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

@Nice4What: The article still falls short at 12,868 characters according to the DYKcheck script, which I recommend you use. The ALT0a/1a/2a are fine, but we really don't need extra alternatives right now when the main issues is the article's length. Sounder Bruce 01:22, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: DYKcheck says the article should be good now. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 01:57, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: Do you mind finishing your review? Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 20:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

The article is now at a sufficient length. Blurbs for ALT0a and ALT2a are good to go, while the others I would prefer not to see move forward. While the article was lengthened after the seven-day deadline, since this review began a bit late I think this should be an WP:IAR kind of scenario. Sounder Bruce 05:58, 3 March 2020 (UTC)