Template:Did you know nominations/Milford Lane

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by HalfGig talk 12:32, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Milford Lane

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Bomb damage map of Milford Lane

... that Milford Lane, London, was hit (pictured) by a V-1 flying bomb during the Second World War?
Alt1 ... The Duel of the Crabs featured a battle between two armies in the pubic hair of a Nymph residing in Milford Lane?
Alt1a ... that the bawdy poem, The Duel of the Crabs, featured a battle between two armies in the pubic hair of a nymph residing in Milford Lane?

Reviewed: Tilo Medek
Comment: 5 x expansion of stub from 13 Dec. One day late, hope that's OK.

5x expanded by Philafrenzy (talk). Self-nominated at 11:20, 21 December 2016 (UTC).

The hooker's VD is hookier than the V1. E Eng 12:16, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

QPQ done. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:39, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

This article is new enough and long enough. Either hook could be used, both having inline citations, but I have rewritten ALT1 to ALT1a because the wikilinks in the original ALT1 are unhelpful and distracting. The image is appropriately licensed, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or other policy issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:20, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

I re-linked nymph as that seems OK? Philafrenzy (talk) 12:05, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

@Philafrenzy: there is an opportunity here to make this a double hook. The Duel of the Crabs is a redirect to the poet, but it could be made into a stand-alone article and a 1500+ character piece would be easy to write. Pages 52-53 of this book discuss the poem and its connection to Howard's Duel of the Stags, as well as the technique wherby the location of "battle" is not clearly shown until later in the poem. It is described as a "scabrous parody" here. Several sources suggest that Henry Saville co-wrote the poem [1] [2] or wrote the incomplete initial for of it. [3] See also this relevant journal article. @EEng and Cwmhiraeth: How long can this nomination be delayed to write the companion article, if there is interest? EdChem (talk) 02:30, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Not sure what some rule might say, no harm in IARing to hold this now to make a better hook. Write the hook first to be sure it's worth the trouble. E Eng 04:49, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
- @EEng: Some possible hooks:
... that The Duel of the Crabs is a "scabrous parody" of The Duel of the Stags and features a battle between two armies set in the pubic hair of a brothel-keeper residing in Milford Lane?
... that The Duel of the Crabs features a battle between two crab lice armies set in the pudendum of a Milford Lane brothel keeper?
- Either of these could be accompanied by an image of a crab louse, such as this CC-BY-SA 3.0 picture from commons: File:Crab louse (251 23) Female, from a human host.jpg
- Having looked, there is the material to support an article on both of these poems, and I think I could write a DYK-compliant article in 48 hours or so, if Philafrenzy is interested in collaborating or would like me to go ahead. EdChem (talk) 05:38, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

I guess I thought you had a hook combining the VD with the V1. How disappointing. E Eng 05:49, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry, EEng, but the VD poetry was written in the late 1600s, so including a V1 attack would have shown remarkable foresight. I guess it goes to show that wars may come and go but the crabs remain the same... EdChem (talk) 06:11, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

I have no objection to where anyone wants to take it. I was aware that the duel was some sort of political satire but had not got as far as elaborating it. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:14, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

The hook with "The Duel of the Stags" is ineligible as is since red links are not allowed in DYK hooks. (If you write even a stub and have a regular wikilink, it would be okay, or even unlinking it entirely would work.) I'm wondering if the second hook has enough of a real-world connection to it to pass muster; the first is fine in that regard. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:37, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

I have redirected Duel of the Stags to the author. Of the two new hooks, the second goes too far for me. The first has potential. I think, however, that she was a whore not a brothel keeper. Nymph is also a good word and the one used in the poem. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:05, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Many people don't know that whore is a shortened form of the formal horizontal contractor. E Eng 11:21, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

@EEng, Cwmhiraeth, and EdChem: This seems to have stalled. Are we going for a double or is someone going to approve one of the original hooks? Philafrenzy (talk) 10:28, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

The tick I gave ALT0 still stands, it's just that folks got distracted. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:22, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Well I would urge ALT1a or anything else but ALT0. "Bomb hit X Street during WW2" is about as dull as it gets. E Eng 14:51, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Not dull for the residents of Milford Lane. The trouble with ALT1a is that everyone will click on the earlier links rather than the one at the end. Which does Philafrenzy prefer? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:49, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

It was a V1 and has a pic but Alt 1a is probably more clickable, even if it's the wrong click. I struck Alt1 and changed damaged to hit. Why not approve both and whoever compiles the set can choose between a pic hook and a quirky one for the end? Philafrenzy (talk) 19:03, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

To give pride of place to the bold link, howzabout

Alt1b ... that the pubic hair of a Milford Lane nymph is the scene of a battle in the bawdy poem, The Duel of the Crabs?

E Eng 21:14, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

- I wanted to encourage a multiple-nomination hook, and even looked at writing added articles (hence the red link BlueMoonset noted), but I have got a lot going on and haven't got close to adding an article, so I withdraw any impediment which I had added, and apologies to the nominator. On the hook, I think a quirky option is better than the V1 hook, which I agree with EEng is uninteresting. 00:56, 15 February 2017 (UTC) (unsigned comment by EdChem)

Renewing tick for ALT0 and also approving ALT1b for the quirky slot. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:14, 15 February 2017 (UTC)