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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 03:42, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

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Mike Wallace Is Here

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Created/expanded by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 11:08, 20 August 2019 (UTC).

  • The date and the length of the article are OK, and the article is well sourced. I have a bit of an issue with hookiness of the hook, as currently given. The hook misses the most interesting part, which is that Wallace was already dead when Belkin wanted to interview him. I suggest that you use an alt hook. Something along the lines of: "... that the film director Avi Belkin wanted to interview an American journalist, Mike Wallace, after Wallace's death, and that led to creation of an archival documentary Mike Wallace Is Here?". In that case the hooked sentence at the start of the Production section of the article would need to be adjusted as well. Nsk92 (talk) 10:12, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @CAPTAIN MEDUSA Ok, thanks, I see that you have added an ALT1 hook. The length of ALT1, at 188 characters, is OK. However, the first sentence of Mike Wallace Is Here#Production still needs to be tweaked, to more precisely correspond to ALT1 hook. Perhaps something like "Film director, Avi Belkin wanted to do a interview with American journalist, Mike Wallace, after Wallace's death." Nsk92 (talk) 10:47, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
@Nsk92: i have added to production section. also use {{re|addusernamehere}} to notify other users. Thanks.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 12:11, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: Ok, very good, thanks. Everything looks pretty good in the article right now. I'll take another look later today to double-check everything, and if nothing else comes up, I'll approve the nomination.Nsk92 (talk) 12:19, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
Nsk92, Thanks.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 12:21, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: Oops, I just noticed that your QPQ is still listed as 'soon'. That will need to be taken care off before the final approval. Nsk92 (talk) 12:27, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: OK, I double-checked the article and the hook, and everything looks good. The only thing missing is the QPQ. Once you have taken care of QPQ, please ping me and I'll formally approve this nomination. Thanks, Nsk92 (talk) 15:45, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
Nsk92, QPQ has been completed.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:06, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: Hmm, I see that Template:Did you know nominations/Josh Yorwerth is still not quite completed since the nominator there has not yet provided their QPQ. My understanding of the DYK rules is that for QPQ purposes the nomination you have reviewed must be either marked with File:Symbol confirmed.svg (or marked as declined if the nomination was declined). Nsk92 (talk) 11:27, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
Nsk92, I have reviewed the nom. However, when the user will add QPQ I will approve the nom. Hmmmmm QPQ rules doesn't state that It needs to be approved or else. Is there something.......___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:33, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: I find the DYK rules on this issue to be confusing and insufficiently detailed. I have just asked for clarification at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#QPQ completion?. Let's see what the others say. Nsk92 (talk) 11:41, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
Nsk92, far as I am aware that if you add tick, or maybe to a nom that counts as being reviewed. Let's see what other editors think.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:44, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: After a clarification at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#QPQ completion?, I am approving ALT1 hook. (I also saw that you updated your review of Template:Did you know nominations/Josh Yorwerth, using the DYKchecklist template, to indicate that the various required DYK elements have been checked). Thanks, Nsk92 (talk) 16:13, 6 September 2019 (UTC)


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: returned for further work Nsk92 (talk) 16:08, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Returned from prep for a copyedit of the article and a better hook. @CAPTAIN MEDUSA: You are interpreting this too literally: Film director, Avi Belkin wanted to do a interview with American journalist, Mike Wallace, after his death. He did not want to interview a dead person, but to produce a documentary of Mike Wallace. @Nsk92: while you are allowed to help the nomination by proposing new hook wording, per Rule H2 you are not allowed to review your own hook. The article desperately needs a copyedit for English grammar; perhaps WP:GOCE can assist. There are other interesting facts in the article to produce a better hook. Yoninah (talk) 19:54, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Ok, thanks. Not being a native English speaker myself, it is harder for me to spot minor grammar errors. Regarding proceeding further, do you think that I should continue the review? Or is it better to let another reviewer do that? Thanks, Nsk92 (talk) 19:59, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Nsk92 well, that is going to be a problem for your future reviews. Articles that are featured on the main page need to satisfy all Wikipedia guidelines, including being readable.
  • I think we should wait for CAPTAIN MEDUSA to respond here. I'm also thinking that all the sources need to be reviewed to see if CAPTAIN MEDUSA reported them correctly (actually, I would prefer CAPTAIN MEDUSA doing that, since it's his submission). I'll watchlist this page to handle further developments. Yoninah (talk) 20:03, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Article was submitted to GOCE back in August. All the content in the article has been reported correctly.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:39, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Sorry, sentences like these are not grammatically correct: Belkin, film director whilst getting into this project he was not anticipating to get into Wallace's personal life. I will do an edit of the article later, when I have time. Yoninah (talk) 12:15, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, the GOCE copyedit has been completed. Are you satisfied with the prose quality? BlueMoonset (talk) 00:35, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I re-edited several sections and removed puffery. The nomination is ready for a new hook now. Yoninah (talk) 00:47, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
ALT1:...that film director Avi Belkin described his 2019 documentary film's Mike Wallace Is Here title as "the four most-dreaded words in the English language back then"?___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 12:44, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you. A suggested tweak:
  • ALT1a: ... that director Avi Belkin said the title of his 2019 documentary Mike Wallace Is Here once constituted "the four most-dreaded words in the English language"? Yoninah (talk) 12:54, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1a is ready for review. Pinging @Nsk92:. Yoninah (talk) 14:15, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
  • OK, great, thanks! ALT1a is in good order and everything there checks out (the length of the hook is OK, the hook is properly cited in the article and is interesting enough). Re-approving the nomination, with the ALT1a hook. Thanks, Nsk92 (talk) 15:33, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
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