Template:Did you know nominations/Mińsk Mazowiecki Ghetto
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 00:15, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
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Mińsk Mazowiecki Ghetto
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... that the Mińsk Mazowiecki Ghetto in occupied Poland (memorial pictured) was eradicated only after the crushing of the Kopernikus revolt?
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... that the last executed Jews of Mińsk Mazowiecki Ghetto (memorial pictured) came from the K. Rudzki i S-ka foundry? - Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Octavius D. Gass.
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Created by Poeticbent (talk). Self nominated at 15:35, 16 May 2014 (UTC).
QPQ is met. The image is properly released to Commons, and is used in the article. (I think a special version of the image could be cropped for DYK, unless the trees are desired.) Length is suitable as is date. Referencing is thorough, with more than one cite per paragraph in the article body. I found no problems with too-close paraphrasing, though there are references I cannot read in Polish.
I have trouble with the first hook because the word "eradicated" does not quite fit the situation. The article says that 250 people survived, but that their community was effectively wiped out. So if the last 250 burned alive in the school building had lived, would the community have been saved, since there would have been 500 survivors? No, of course not; it was already destroyed at that point.
The ALT1 choice also has problems, because of the interpretation of "execute". The hook apparently interprets being shot or gassed can be called execution, but not burning alive at the hands of the SS. I think they are the same: acts of genocide, extermination of the Jews. I would like to see another hook composed. Binksternet (talk) 01:04, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Done. Thanks, Binksternet. Much appreciated. The image has been cropped for DYK. Just to clarify, the 250 people mentioned surivived mostly in hiding (including those who managed to escape the earlier ghetto liquidation action). However, their prewar community was effectively wiped out meaning there was no-one and nothing to go back to. — I revised that sentence in the article to read exactly that. Below are my resived two ALTs per request. Please select the one you like, or change it if needed. Thanks a million, Poeticbent talk 04:30, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
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... that the Mińsk Mazowiecki Ghetto in occupied Poland (memorial pictured) was wiped out only after the crushing of the Kopernikus revolt? - ALT3:... that the last murdered Jews of the Mińsk Mazowiecki Ghetto (memorial pictured) came from the iron foundry of K. Rudzki i S-ka?
Okay, the word murdered is broad enough to cover all the deaths. The newly cropped image looks good, and has appropriate Commons release. I choose ALT3 as my preference because of continuing concerns about exactly when the ghetto was wiped out. ALT3 gets it. Binksternet (talk) 04:36, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
