Template:Did you know nominations/Medea (Reimann)
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:46, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
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Medea (Reimann)
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Aribert Reimann in 2011
- ... that Aribert Reimann (pictured) composed Medea for the Vienna State Opera, based on the drama by Franz Grillparzer? Source: several
- Reviewed: Florence E. Bamberger
- Comment: not many new operas premiered at that house, - the commission was quite an honour
5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 21:40, 24 July 2017 (UTC).
Counting just the prose portion, 5x expansion is confirmed, and began only 2 days before nomination. Article is long enough, with approximately 1,845 characters of prose. No policy issues with neutrality or phrasing. Image is freely licensed and suitable for DYK. Hook is short enough, and facts in it are supported by inline citations (of good sources) in the article. Hook won't be very exciting to a broad audience, but I feel it's sufficiently interesting, and accept nominator's comment about the semi-rarity of operas being premiered at that opera house.
- Two issues: One has to read two longish sentences in the main body in order to cover both hook facts, even though the sources do support both facts, so I suggest adding (repeating) another inline citation at the end of the first sentence under History or, maybe better, adding a sentence to the lead that just covers the main DYK hook items and then place inline citation(s) at the end of that sentence. However, I'm now wondering whether the DYK rule I'm thinking of has been discontinued, a rule that said, for the hook fact, the relevant sentence in the article needs to have an inline citation at the end of the sentence, not just the paragraph. Is that rule gone now? (It has been about a year since I last did a DYK review.) Also, note there is currently a citation-format error that needs fixing, a reference named "IRCAM" that has not been defined anywhere. SJ Morg (talk) 06:01, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you for a thorough review! I spread the Büning reference generously over half-sentences and the premiere (IRCAM seems to have been copied from another work, sorry about the that.) In the lead, I would only reference facts that have no ref in the body, or are quotations. You will have to say something about the image. I proposed the same for a different opera, but would prefer it for this one, as it's closer in date to the composition, and this is the more substantial - and more recent - opera, - a rare thing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for the fast response. Not sure what you meant by "you will have to say something about the image", as I already noted its DYK eligibility in my initial review, and DYK reviewers have no control over whether an image is used by whoever promotes a given nomination. However, I can add a little detail (to your helpful comment in the other, later nomination) for the benefit of the promoter, which I do at the end of this note, below:
The few issues that arose have been addressed, QPQ has been completed, and nomination is good to go. Image is used in the article, and would show up well at DYK size. The promoter should note that the image has also been submitted with another current DYK nomination, for Das Schloß (opera), but the nominator would prefer that it be used with this DYK entry. SJ Morg (talk) 01:47, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: I have promoted this with the image, but the article for the composer is practically unreferenced. Could you add one or two references? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:46, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you for a thorough review! I spread the Büning reference generously over half-sentences and the premiere (IRCAM seems to have been copied from another work, sorry about the that.) In the lead, I would only reference facts that have no ref in the body, or are quotations. You will have to say something about the image. I proposed the same for a different opera, but would prefer it for this one, as it's closer in date to the composition, and this is the more substantial - and more recent - opera, - a rare thing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
