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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Lightburst (talk) 19:47, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

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Max Bielfeldt

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Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 05:50, 30 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Max Bielfeldt; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

  • Length and history OK, and passes Earwig OK, but I can say nothing about the source because at no point does the article actually say that Bielfeldt introduced his sister to Leonard, merely that she accompanied him to Michigan and met Leonard there. Yes, we can infer this, but that's not enough for a DYK hook. Daniel Case (talk) 00:49, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
Addendum: And while we're at this, maybe we can sidestep this problem, because frankly this is not unusual for someone to have introduced their sibling to a future spouse. How about instead:
ALT1:... that Max Bielfeldt is the first college men's basketball player to have won Big Ten championships at different schools?
You'd want to have it cited in the intro at least through its Main Page appearance since it would be the hook fact (and actually as an extraordinary claim about a BLP it should be cited in any event. Daniel Case (talk) 01:12, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
I write WP:LEADs with the uncited format, summarizing content that is properly cited in the main body of the article.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:09, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
ALT2:... that Max Bielfeldt pledged to help turn around the Indiana Hoosiers men's basketball program that had been plagued with embarrasing drug and alcohol infractions?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:12, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
ALT3:... that after Max Bielfeldt transferred to Indiana Hoosiers men's basketball from Michigan Wolverines men's basketball, he posted a +25 plus–minus in the first half against Michigan?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:19, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
ALT4:... that Max Bielfeldt declined a basketball scholarship from the home of the Bielfeldt Athletic Administration Building, which was endowed by his grandparents, where multiple generations of his family have attended?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:24, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Reviewer needed to check hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:26, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
Straight away ALT4 is too long, so can't be used at all. ALT2 is for my money the most interesting; all of its references are offline, so assuming good faith on it. I say this is good to go.--Launchballer 23:36, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
ALT5... that Max Bielfeldt declined a basketball scholarship from the home of the Bielfeldt Athletic Administration Building, which was endowed by his grandparents?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:04, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
ALT5 is valid; would probably change 'which was' to 'which had been' or even 'even though it had been', but I don't think that's a reason to hold up the nomination. I can approve that.--Launchballer 00:52, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll accept any tinkering the main page afficionados might make.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:38, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
I really want to promote ALT5 (or a variation of it), but the corresponding paragraph beginning "Michigan's 2011 incoming class included..." is very confusing: "His" school library where? Since this article is about Max Bielfeldt, could we not lead with him a bit more as the main subject of that paragraph? It would also be good to make it a bit clearer to the casual reader skimming this article that Bielfeldt did in fact eventually get a scholarship offer from Illinois, because the misperception persisted that he turned down Illinois because a scholarship offer never materialized. Cielquiparle (talk) 12:33, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Have I addressed the issues. I think the paragraph before the one you mentioned clearly presents the Illinois scholarship offer.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:06, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
@TonyTheTiger: Better, thanks. I still think "his school library" is unclear but it just dawned on me that you probably meant his high school library, not a university library at Michigan or Illinois (I had wondered if his family had endowed a library there too). I'm removing my previous query mark. I really like the idea behind ALT4 / ALT5 but I think the "Bielfeldt Athletic Administration Building" reference is unnecessarily confusing. Cielquiparle (talk) 10:30, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
I have changed school library to high school library. Sometimes DYK hooks have a bit of mystery/confusion to entice readership.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:14, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for all the updates. Happy for another promoter to promote if they like the hooks. But while I'm here I'll propose one more:
Need new hook reviewer to look at and approve ALT6 only. Thanks in advance. Cielquiparle (talk) 11:13, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
Good to go.--Launchballer 11:46, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


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