Template:Did you know nominations/Maurice Duplessis

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 23:07, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Maurice Duplessis

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... that after ending the Liberal Party's 39-year grip over the province and forcing its long-term premier to resign, Quebec Premier Maurice Duplessis went on to win five out of six elections before he died? Source: Length of reign: Saint-Aubin, p. 120, Black, p. 59, 97 - see Books section for full titles
5/6 elections: won 1936, 1944, 1948, 1952, 1956, lost 1939
- ALT1: ... that Quebec politicians generally avoid referring to their policies as harkening to Maurice Duplessis because they fear being ridiculed and may be insulted by such comparison? Source: https://muse.jhu.edu/article/743150, https://reviewcanada.ca/magazine/2021/06/alive-and-kicking/
- ALT2: ... that even though the Legislative Assembly of Quebec ordered a monument of Maurice Duplessis in front of its building, later premiers hid it for 16 years to "avoid political tensions"? Source: Gélinas, Ferretti & Bédard 2010, p. 389-396
- ALT3: ... that Quebec Premier Maurice Duplessis's policies were found to be similar to a list as diverse as Huey Long, Putin, McCarthy, Perón, de Valera, Joh Bjelke-Petersen and current premier François Legault? Source: See "Attempts at comparison" section - there are 6 or so sources to list.
- Reviewed: User:Szmenderowiecki/Sort_of_recognised_contributions
- Comment: Refer to my userpage for fulfilling QPQ criteria.

Created by Szmenderowiecki (talk). Self-nominated at 12:04, 4 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Maurice Duplessis; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

@Szmenderowiecki: After looking at User:Szmenderowiecki/Sort_of_recognised_contributions, it is not clear which of your DYK reviews you are claiming for this article. This is especially made difficult because the "Submitted my humble opinion" section lists DYK nominations, PRs, and GAN reviews. Please wikilink to the specific nomination that you are using as a QPQ for this nomination. Z1720 (talk) 15:14, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't wan't to claim one review the second time. I reformatted the section to make clear what is DYK, what is a peer review or a good article.

Choose any - the whole point of QPQ is that you have roughly the same number of DYK reviews as DYKs, and I have more. If you still insist, I dunno, choose the last one from the list. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 18:29, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

The article has several citation needed tags to resolve. Szmenderowiecki, as per the comments by Z1720, please declare exactly which QPQ you are claiming for this nomination to make it easier on your fellow editors to validate. I am willing to do the full review once the QPQ credit is clear. Flibirigit (talk) 16:21, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

OK, take this one as QPQ. Whatever.

As for the citation tags:

The one referencing the 1939 election was remedied because I think that the first part of the sentence was not obvious.

I removed the tag at further cemented the long reign of Duplessis because the two sources mentioned in the sentence both make this conclusion. Grouping them at the end would be inappropriate because each covers a different aspect of Duplessis's longevity.

I added the source for the third tag.

I removed the tag for the sentence ending with Quiet Revolution because its usual definition is a period in the history of Quebec that starts from the defeat in 1960. A bit of WP:BLUESKY situation here.

I am waiting for your review. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 09:58, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

The QPQ for Vitamin A is already claimed at the nomination for Judiciary of Poland. Please provide a valid QPQ. Flibirigit (talk) 12:58, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

How am I supposed to remember that? Isn't it enough that I did more reviews than submitted DYKs? Well, take this one then. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 08:08, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

The QPQ for Shadow docket is already claimed at the nomination for Banknotes of the Ukrainian hryvnia. Please provide a valid QPQ. Flibirigit (talk) 12:14, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Since no clear QPQ has been provided for this nomination, I am abandoning this review and moving onto something else. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 12:15, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

There is a related discussion at Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Guidelines regarding QPQ. Flibirigit (talk) 19:58, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
- WP:QPQ is very clear: You can do your QPQ review before or after you make your nomination, but for your nomination to be approved you will need to provide a link, at your nomination, to your completed QPQ review. That's "your completed QPQ review", singular. Not a list. Szmenderowiecki, please pick one for this nomination. Everyone else does this; you can, too. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:49, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/April 1923 Kamchatka earthquake and tsunami Szmenderowiecki (talk) 12:41, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Full review needed now that a QPQ has been supplied. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:55, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Long enough, new enough. No copyright problems found, no neutrality problems found. QPQ done. Ref #54 needs fixing. ALT0 and ALT3 too long, and I suspect you can probably do better than ALT1 and ALT2.--Laun chba ller 13:24, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Fixed Ref 54, you can choose to promote either. Unfortunately the limited space I have does not allow me to explain why he is so controversial, so I think alt2 is slightly better because well, why would you withhold a monument? But if you find alt1 better, I'm fine. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 15:40, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

I've just noticed that "avoid political tensions" is in quotes here, but not in the article, and it's an offline source so I can't see which it is.

ALT4: ... that comparisons to the Quebec premier Maurice Duplessis have been described as "the supreme insult"? Source: https://reviewcanada.ca/magazine/2021/06/alive-and-kicking/, you'll need to add this to the article.

ALT5: ... that a monument of Maurice Duplessis was hidden by later Quebec premiers for sixteen years to avoid political tensions? Source: Gélinas, Ferretti & Bédard 2010, p. 389-396, add or remove quotes as appropriate.--Laun chba ller 07:57, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Launchballer, alt4 is OK but not brilliant. "has been described" is vague, and mostly Quebeckers have a perception of him being associated with the Great Darkness. Let's leave it aside for now and return to it only if everything else fails.

Alt5 misses the point. Just hiding a monument for 16 years could be explained away by all sorts of reasoning, but the point is that it blatantly ignored the will of the Legislative Assembly, which passed a special law to build the monument. Not that people cared about that apparently, which was why it was in hiding until 1977. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 13:59, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@Launchballer: Are any of the ALTs acceptable to approve, or should new ALTs be proposed? Z1720 (talk) 19:09, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

I want to approve ALT2, but I'm still not sure whether "avoid political tensions" is supposed to have quote marks around it.--Laun chba ller 08:47, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Launchballer, that was a quote from Gelinas and Ferretti, but you can remove the quotation marks if you so wish. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 09:39, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Approving ALT2.--Laun chba ller 11:35, 5 November 2023 (UTC)