Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Walker (rodeo)
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:37, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
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Mary Walker (rodeo)
[edit]- ... that Mary Walker's horse slipped and fell on her, injuring her severely, yet she still won the World Barrel Racing Championship a year later? Source: "Then two months later, she and her horse, Latte, were rounding the final barrel at a rodeo in Crosby, Texas, when Latte slipped and fell on her. She broke her pelvis, her hip in 3 places, 2 vertabrae, and two toes." [1] "Latte and Walker swept the NFR to win her first and only World Barrel Racing Championship." [2]
- ALT1:... that professional barrel racer Mary Walker is the second oldest woman to win a world championship at age 53 in 2012? Source: "She became the second oldest rodeo world champion in the WPRA at 53 years old in 2102." 2017 Barrel Racing Records, World Records & Season Stats – World Champion Barrel Racers – Oldest World Champion, p. 6. [3]
- ALT2:... that professional barrel racer Mary Walker overcame two tragedies to win the 2012 World Barrel Racing Championship? Source: "Walker competed in her first NFR a year a few months after two of the most traumatic incidents of her life." [4] "She became the second oldest rodeo world champion in the WPRA at 53 years old in 2102." 2017 Barrel Racing Records, World Records & Season Stats – World Champion Barrel Racers – Oldest World Champion, p. 6. [5]
- ALT3:... that professional barrel racer Mary Walker overcame a tragedy and a serious injury to win the 2012 World Barrel Racing Championship?
- Reviewed: Kath Fox
- Comment: I am open to modification of the existing hooks or new hooks.
Created by Dawnleelynn (talk). Self-nominated at 22:15, 12 June 2018 (UTC).
This is an impressive new article and is long enough and new enough. Any of the hooks could be used, but I prefer ALT3. The hook facts are sourced inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:28, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Some of the phrasing in this article is too close to that of its sourcing, and the article is (perhaps as a result) non-neutral in tone. Compare for example "Since Walker lived only 30 minutes from the prestigious Mesquite Championship Rodeo, she competed there in her limited spare time. She could go there each week and win a couple hundred dollars. Walker's career earnings inched up slowly while she watched her husband and son succeed at the elite levels. Byron became a world champion cowboy with million dollar winnings and her son seem fated to join him" with "Living just 30 minutes from the famed Mesquite Championship Rodeo, Walker often competed there in her limited time. “I could go over there every week and win a couple hundred dollars.” Walker’s career earnings total was inching upwards very slowly while she watched her family succeed at the highest levels. Byron became a million dollar cowboy and Reagon seemed destined to follow in his footsteps". Nikkimaria (talk) 11:51, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
- Cwmhiraeth I have corrected the slight paraphrasing issue which was dug down deep to the 6th article to find. There are no other violations. There is also a fansite template slapped on the article which I don't agree with and have no idea how to "fix" the article. Yoninah went over the article and said on my talk page it was encyclopedic in tone before she moved it to prep. dawnleelynn(talk) 16:25, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
- When I approved the nomination I checked the article with "Earwig", the tool used to check for copyvios, and this is what it produced. The 61% figure means little of itself but you can look below on the left hand side for highlighted text, and you find mainly quotes, and that is acceptable. You can look at the other sites the tool has compared the article with by clicking on "Compare" for each one in turn and examining the highlighted text. Again nothing to be concerned about. However, although this tool is very good at finding copy/paste copyvios, it is not so good at checking for close paraphrasing. You will really need to ask Nikkimaria what site she believes has been close paraphrased and what you can do to resolve the fansite tag. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:27, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
- Cwmhiraeth Nikkimaria Cwmhiraeth, thanks for your response, yes I do use Earwig also. I used it to check the article before submitting it to DYK, and I just used it again to fix the issue Nikkimaria pointed out. Nikkimaria, I am pretty sure there are no other close paraphrasing issues, but let me know if otherwise. Regarding the fansite tag, I am not quite sure where there is any such tone, unless perhaps you are referring to the last paragraph or two in the personal section. I really am not quite sure to address this issue. dawnleelynn(talk) 18:32, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
- When I approved the nomination I checked the article with "Earwig", the tool used to check for copyvios, and this is what it produced. The 61% figure means little of itself but you can look below on the left hand side for highlighted text, and you find mainly quotes, and that is acceptable. You can look at the other sites the tool has compared the article with by clicking on "Compare" for each one in turn and examining the highlighted text. Again nothing to be concerned about. However, although this tool is very good at finding copy/paste copyvios, it is not so good at checking for close paraphrasing. You will really need to ask Nikkimaria what site she believes has been close paraphrased and what you can do to resolve the fansite tag. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:27, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep in mind that Earwig will catch direct copying, but not close paraphrasing - another example is "The remaining racers on Tuesday night's last performance could not touch the time, thus Walker became the champion of the fair. She won $2,942 add to her season total from that event. After having Wednesday night off, 11 ladies counting Walker returned for the 8th stop of the Champions Challenge. Walker became upset with herself after she reached down with her outside hand to try to straighten Latte up at the third barrel; instead he set up. There was no way to get him back up. She thought, "He is committed, it's over". She took a penalty, which meant she could win further amounts. Rather, Stevi Hillman won, the only racer in either event who posted a faster time than her in Pueblo" vs "None of the remaining ladies in Tuesday night’s final performance were able to touch the time, leaving Walker as the champion of the 2016 edition of the Colorado State Fair. She added $2,942 to her impressive season total. With one night off, Walker was one of 11 ladies to return on Wednesday for the eighth stop of the Wrangler Champions Challenge. “At the Champions Challenge, I was so mad at myself. I reached down with the outside hand to kind of straighten him up at the third and he set up,” Walker says. “There was no kicking him back up out of it. I thought, ‘he is committed, it’s over.’” Walker took a barrel penalty, keeping her from winning any more Pueblo money. Stevi Hillman took the win, the only cowgirl in either event to post a faster time than Walker in Pueblo". Having looked through history on this issue, I'm going to post to WP:CCI. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:48, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Nikkimaria montanabw Cwmhiraeth montanabw and cwmhiraeth are right in their statements. When I saw your message last night, I was so shocked I was not able to reply. I can't even figure out how to add a response in that report. Anyhow, you are obviously extremely experienced, and I am willing to do the work to fix the paraphrasing instances. I also want to learn not to stick so closely to sources in future. I relied on Earwig as it was recommended in the DYK review steps. It may have been misguided, but it shows intent to follow the rules. You are using a different tool? dawnleelynn(talk) 18:07, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
- Nikkimaria Hi, myself and some others have done some extensive rewriting on this article. It should be clear of any close paraphrasing and fansite tone now. However, that is really best determined by yourself. If this article could meet with your approval, it's still not too late to put it back into the DYK queue as I just got a message today telling me how. Can you please take a look at it? It's much more concise now as I removed most of the personal section, summarizing it, and much text in other sections. I did an article to source comparison throughout to remove any close paraphrasing. dawnleelynn(talk) 20:17, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
- Nikkimaria Let me make something clear about Mary Burger and Mary Walker, barrel racers. I'm not that big a fan of barrel racing. I am bull riding fan, through and through-I love the bulls. I'm doing these articles for Women in Red. I did Mary Burger last month. Mary Walker is for this month and I wanted to do the article and the DYK for Women in Red. So it's weird to be tagged for fansite. I guess it just must be my writing style. But whatever, the reason I did so much work on Walker's article today and asked you to review is not for myself. Just so you know and reconsider doing it for the WIR Project. Even doing Charmayne James last year was not my idea. You can see that I added the wikiproject tag right away to the talk page after creating it. Thank you for your consideration. dawnleelynn(talk) 01:19, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- Hi dawnleelynn, it's definitely better than it was in both respects. In terms of neutrality, there are still quite a few instances of phrases I would flag as not being encyclopedic in tone, eg. "there was no stopping her" or "brought a new face with her". In terms of close paraphrasing, footnote 16 in particular needs some more reworking. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:42, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- Nikkimaria Okay, regarding reference 16, I really don't know what you want. montanabw reworked it herself. Then I did some more reworking. Thus, I give up and I just took it all out and replaced it with one sentence. I don't even care about this anymore. I told you I wasn't even that interested in this subject. If it doesn't fly, out it goes. I fixed the the other tone references you mentioned and some others as well. dawnleelynn(talk) 03:24, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- Cwmhiraeth Yoninah This DYK should be good to go now, ready for your review again. I have had Nikkimaria look at it again twice. I went through the entire article on an article per source comparison to remove all instances of any close paraphrasing. I did a a large rewrite and removed a huge bit of text to do so, it should be clear of the offending text and fansite talk now. Was hoping it would get into DYK this month as I wrote the article and put it through DYK for Women in Red this month. Thanks. dawnleelynn(talk) 16:25, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- Restoring my tick now that the close paraphrasing issues have been settled, and repeating my preference for ALT3. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:10, 29 June 2018 (UTC)