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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 04:18, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

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Martin Hotel (Sioux City, Iowa)

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The Martin Hotel

5x expanded by SL93 (talk). Self nominated at 03:08, 14 July 2013 (UTC).

  • Expansion and date thereof confirmed. QPQ complete. Photo has appropriate license. However, the hook fact appears to be inaccurate. The source material here states that the Sheraton Corp. purchased the hotel from the Eppley chain in 1956 which is inconsistent with its having been acquired by Eugene C. Eppley in 1956. Cbl62 (talk) 04:22, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Those two alts don't appear to work either. The article does not assert anywhere that Eppley was the original owner. And the sources state that the ballroom renovation was given city approval in Nov. 2001 and that work was completed in 2004. It does not say that the actual renovation work actually began in 2001. May I suggest the following alternative:
  • It does assert it though. "Eugene C. Eppley, a businessman from Omaha, Nebraska, assigned the task of painting four murals for placement in each of his hotels." SL93 (talk) 04:48, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

That is edited from the source - "The Corn Room mural was one of four murals commissioned by Omaha businessman Eugene Eppley for his hotels in Council Bluffs, Cedar Rapids, Waterloo, and Sioux City. Originally part of the historical Martin Hotel, the Corn Room was created by Grant Wood in 1927, then lost for decades under paint and old wallpaper, only to be rediscovered in 1979." SL93 (talk) 04:51, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Still not seeing it verified or in the article. The article doesn't say he was the original owner when the hotel was built in 1912. And the source says that Eppley commissioned the Corn Room mural when the Corn Room was created -- in 1927, which is 15 years after the hotel was built. I take it you do not care for alt 3? Cbl62 (talk) 05:06, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
I didn't care for it because Eppley did own it. It is a simple fix based on the fifth reference - "Hotel magnate Eppley first became interested in Sioux City in 1915 when he purchased a partnership in the Martin Hotel, and in addition to building the Warrior, also owned the West Hotel. His new Warrior was considered in 1930 as one of the most fabulous of his chain, and no expense was spared in making it a showcase." SL93 (talk) 05:09, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
(ec) The quote you've just added plainly demonstrates that Eppley was not the original owner! Hotel built in 1912, and Eppley did not acquire the Martin Hotel partnership until 1915. First, you asserted Eppley bought the hotel in 1956. Then you proposed an alt saying he was the original owner. Both of those facts are demonstrably false. Unless an accurate, verifiable fact can be offered, this will have to be rejected. I tried to offer up an alt, but you don't care for it. Cbl62 (talk) 05:16, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Your hook is uninteresting. How is the new hook that I proposed about the ballroom not accurate? What about the second proposed hook about Eppley owning it? SL93 (talk) 05:18, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

So I suggest - ALT4: ... that the Martin Hotel (pictured), built in 1912 and located in Sioux City, Iowa, was acquired by Eugene C. Eppley in 1915? SL93 (talk) 05:12, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

ALT5: ... that the ballroom of the Martin Hotel (pictured), built in 1912 and located in Sioux City, Iowa, received approval for renovation in 2001? SL93 (talk) 05:13, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Citation needed for the latter and should be ready to go then. Please label your hooks with ALT 1, 2 etc so we can refer to them.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 06:46, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
  • I added labels for the ALTs.

    For me, the most interesting thing by far about the hotel is the mural. The article had completely incorrect information about the mural, saying that it was "never placed in the hotel", disappeared somewhere, and was somehow found somewhere underneath paint and wallpaper. I've corrected the article, based on information from the source, and I'm suggesting yet another hook:

    ALT6: ... that a mural painted in 1927 by Grant Wood for the Martin Hotel (pictured) was lost under layers of paint and wallpaper, before being rediscovered decades later, in 1979? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 06:56, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

There was already a citation for the latter at the end of the paragraph. SL93 (talk) 11:54, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

I still referenced it right after the hook fact as well. SL93 (talk) 12:03, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Article new enough, long enough, and adequately cited. Hook short enough, interesting enough, and also cited. Article appears to be neutral and free of copyright violations and plagiarism. Add the dates of the painting/year of finding to ALT 6 and it is approved. Cheers!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 13:03, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
    • Which hook did you approve? SL93 (talk) 13:07, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
  • I went to bed last night after spending much time on this hook and woke to find that SL had complained on the DYK talk page. The 3 hooks initially proposed were quite false and reflected are a remarkable lack of attention to detail. The fourth and fifth proffers were added after an edit conflict and as i was retiring for the evening, and i would have been able to look at them this morning. In any event, Mandarax's alt 6 hook is really quite good, and I see no problem with this now being approved. Cbl62 (talk) 14:34, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't call it remarkable when the majority of the article was correct. SL93 (talk) 14:54, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

  • Fixing date range in ALT6 so it uses an en dash per WP:DASH rather than a hyphen. However, I think the birth and death dates for Wood really don't add anything to the hook, and are actually a bit distracting. Something for the promoting editor to consider for brevity's sake, though nothing to hold up the promotion. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:10, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
  • I still prefer my original without any dates, but the birth/death dates definitely made the hook worse, and they do not appear in the article. I've removed them. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:10, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
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