Template:Did you know nominations/Markus Becker (pianist)
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The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 21:39, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
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Markus Becker (pianist)
- ... that Markus Becker, who earned awards for his recording of the complete piano works by Max Reger, also recorded jazz? Source: several
- Reviewed: Solace Provincial Park
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 10:25, 4 October 2022 (UTC).
- Personally I'd focus more on the chamber music aspect/jazz contrast, since I think someone recording chamber music and jazz is a much more interesting angle to general audiences than the Reger angle. Thus:
- Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:22, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- I am sorry but object. Many classical pianists have also recorded jazz, but this one is the only one, to my knowledge in the world ever, to have recorded the complete piano works by Reger. We could end there, but I added the jazz to please the common reader also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Many classical pianists have also recorded jazz.
I don't think most general readers know that. To a general reader, classical music and jazz aren't exactly genres that seem similar to each other. It would be like an opera singer liking reggae. They're such different genres that it would seem unusual to the non-specialist if one well-versed in one genre is a fan of the other. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:58, 12 October 2022 (UTC)- I know all that, but more unique is the complete works by Reger. He did that and nobody else. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:12, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Hmm, I don't really see an issue: ALT1 would bring more focus on the jazz aspect, but ALT0 includes it also. How about combining the two hooks? Like amend it to "Markus Becker, a pianist who focuses on chamber music and earned awards [...]". Aside from that, the article is still lacking a few inline-refs, e.g. for the sentence ending in [...] for Reger's Piano Concerto.
, as well as some of the rewards like the Echo Klassik. –LordPeterII (talk) 20:39, 16 October 2022 (UTC)- Thank you for looking. Do you understand that the Reger feat is unique in the world, while chamber music is something he shares with many others? - Will look at the refs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I did not mean to drop the Reger part, just to also include the chamber music. Because as it stands, ALT0 does not yet tell much about Becker's general profession – you could even assume he would do jazz primarily. Pianists can focus on jazz exclusively, and so to increase the hookiness it would imo be good to first explain that he is mostly a classical guy, with jazz as a side thing. Actually, not everyone will know Reger didn't do jazz either before clicking the link ;) –LordPeterII (talk) 21:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- I am so used to being (can't think of decent word) for mentioning even two things, that the idea of mentioning three didn't occur to me. As a member of a Reger-Chor, and having written two FA's on Reger's works, it's hard for me to imagine people who haven't heard of Reger, but if the exist they can click and find out. He recorded all these turn-of-the-century piano concertos also, - that makes a focus on chamber music even misleading, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hmm, then maybe call him "classical pianist Becker"? Although I'm doubtful to what extent Reger would still be considered "classical". In my opinion, it would be a stronger hook if it had something mentioned first that's clearly not the same as jazz, so that the "also jazz" thing comes as more of a surprise. Maybe instead mention what Reger is known for (you can think of a better word than me there likely)? Not sure because they both didn't do just one thing, but several. If I can think of a good hook I'll write it, but maybe you can as well. –LordPeterII (talk) 13:14, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hmm, but he isn't a classical pianist only. He is both and we say something of both. As I was often told, we don't have to say it all in the hook. One review described the Reger recordings as the greatest pianistic dead of half a century, which could be mentioned, but such things are sensational, and one person's opinion. It was certainly and without doubt the single most interesting and unique thing he did so far, and those not interested perhaps better don't get lured into his article ;) - unless they get there by "jazz". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:26, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
- Alright, you've convinced me that we can't improve the hook's hookiness without sacrificing concision.
Then let's just go with ALT0, it's not perfect maybe, but accurate and "good enough". –LordPeterII (talk) 20:12, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hmm, but he isn't a classical pianist only. He is both and we say something of both. As I was often told, we don't have to say it all in the hook. One review described the Reger recordings as the greatest pianistic dead of half a century, which could be mentioned, but such things are sensational, and one person's opinion. It was certainly and without doubt the single most interesting and unique thing he did so far, and those not interested perhaps better don't get lured into his article ;) - unless they get there by "jazz". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:26, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hmm, then maybe call him "classical pianist Becker"? Although I'm doubtful to what extent Reger would still be considered "classical". In my opinion, it would be a stronger hook if it had something mentioned first that's clearly not the same as jazz, so that the "also jazz" thing comes as more of a surprise. Maybe instead mention what Reger is known for (you can think of a better word than me there likely)? Not sure because they both didn't do just one thing, but several. If I can think of a good hook I'll write it, but maybe you can as well. –LordPeterII (talk) 13:14, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
- I am so used to being (can't think of decent word) for mentioning even two things, that the idea of mentioning three didn't occur to me. As a member of a Reger-Chor, and having written two FA's on Reger's works, it's hard for me to imagine people who haven't heard of Reger, but if the exist they can click and find out. He recorded all these turn-of-the-century piano concertos also, - that makes a focus on chamber music even misleading, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I did not mean to drop the Reger part, just to also include the chamber music. Because as it stands, ALT0 does not yet tell much about Becker's general profession – you could even assume he would do jazz primarily. Pianists can focus on jazz exclusively, and so to increase the hookiness it would imo be good to first explain that he is mostly a classical guy, with jazz as a side thing. Actually, not everyone will know Reger didn't do jazz either before clicking the link ;) –LordPeterII (talk) 21:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for looking. Do you understand that the Reger feat is unique in the world, while chamber music is something he shares with many others? - Will look at the refs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- I know all that, but more unique is the complete works by Reger. He did that and nobody else. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:12, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- I am sorry but object. Many classical pianists have also recorded jazz, but this one is the only one, to my knowledge in the world ever, to have recorded the complete piano works by Reger. We could end there, but I added the jazz to please the common reader also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
