Template:Did you know nominations/Mario Alberto Peña

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The result was: promoted by Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Mario Alberto Peña

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... that suspected drug lord Mario Alberto Peña has a tribute page on Facebook? Source: BBC News

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/William Chong Wong
Comment: BBC has an image of his tribute page, which reads "Many hit-men end up with tribute pages" and then shows a screenshot of his page. If you google "from Facebook of a tribute page to the gangster Mario 'Popo' Peña", it will direct you to the BBC source. This text can be read from Google but once clicked it is not available. My guess is that it is embedded in the photo. Either way, the photo and the description cite the hook.

Created by MX (talk). Self-nominated at 02:18, 22 July 2018 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting: - I can maybe accept the hook as cited based on the picture in the BBC article but how is that interesting? After all, the BBC says many such pages exist. Maybe you can find an alternative that is more interesting?

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @MX: The article does not really explain why this person was called "Popo". Maybe that can be added? On a side note, the tag on the image is not correct, as it is not a "booking photo". You might want to correct that. Regards So Why 12:04, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

@SoWhy: Hi, thank you for the thorough review. I have fixed the photo tag per your suggestion. Though "many hit-men end up with tribute pages" (BBC News) on Facebook, I figured this phenomenon was uncommon/interesting for most of our audience. How about a hook about those who viewed him as a folk hero? I don't want to sound promotional, so I'll wait before I suggest an alternate hook. This source says: "Peña began his career in local street gangs in Roma and built his way up to the rank of commander within the Gulf Cartel, where he became a folk hero in Miguel Alemán." And this other source says, "...Peña became somewhat legendary on both sides of the Rio Grande Valley ...".

As for the nickname, I haven't been able to find anything as to why he was called "Popo". They tend to have some weird nicknames, mostly to throw off authorities who investigate them, like these two dudes here and here. Heck, one of his superiors was named after a female body part (in the article)... MX (✉ • ✎) 13:28, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

@MX: Hmm, how about:

ALT1: ... that Texan-born Mario Alberto Peña moved across the Mexico–United States border to become a suspected regional leader of the Gulf Cartel?
ALT2: ... that Texan-born Mario Alberto Peña became a suspected regional leader of the Gulf Cartel and a gangster folk hero on both sides of the Mexico–United States border?

Regards So Why 19:20, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

@SoWhy: I rephrased them a bit, but I personally loved your suggestions. Adding the "new review" tick since you cannot review the hooks you created. Thank you for your help! MX (✉ • ✎) 16:45, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Approved: Article is new enough, long enough, neutral and well-cited. No close paraphrasing detected. Hooks are of good length, well formatted, neutral, interesting, and cited in article. I made a minor copy edit to ALT2, which I personally prefer. QPQ done. – Reidgreg (talk) 19:03, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Reidgreg: Thank you for the review. Just letting you know that I changed Rio Grande to Mexico–United States border, since Rio Grande was never linked in the article while Mexico–United States border is. This doesn't change the hook's accuracy. Cheers, MX (✉ • ✎) 00:36, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
  - Thanks for letting me know, I still approve it. I liked the poeticism of Rio Grande but I can see this being technically more accurate and it's still well within the word count limit. BTW, do you have a preference for ALT1 or ALT2? – Reidgreg (talk) 14:30, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
    - @Reidgreg: ALT2, Thank you! MX (✉ • ✎) 15:21, 23 August 2018 (UTC)