Template:Did you know nominations/Marie Vuillemin
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The result was: promoted by Rjjiii talk 03:49, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
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Marie Vuillemin
- ... that Marie Vuillemin was acquitted in the trial of the Bonnot Gang, as the prosecution defined her according to her gender rather than her role in the gang? Source: Parry, Richard (1987). The Bonnot Gang. London: Rebel Press. pp. 152–159. ISBN 0-946061-04-1.
Created by Grnrchst (talk). Self-nominated at 11:26, 16 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Marie Vuillemin; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- @Grnrchst: This isn't a review, more of a comment, but I wonder if both the article and the hook could be modified since the use of the term "defined" here isn't a common use of the term and thus could be confusing. Like, what does "defined her according to her gender" mean? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:39, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I appreciate that this may not have been clear, I just wasn't sure how else to word it. To quote the source:
"In [the prosecutor's] opening he outlined the salient features of the prosecution case and the intention to prove a general conspiracy among all the defendants, whom he classed in five categories : first there were the six principal offenders, [...] then five 'intermediaries', [...] five 'harbourers', [...] two providers of firearms, [...] and lastly the three women, Henriette Maitrejean, Marie Vuillemin and Barbe Ledech, graciously defined by Lescouve according to their sex rather than by their alleged criminal role."
--Grnrchst (talk) 10:47, 27 January 2024 (UTC)- Perhaps: "... that the prosecution listed Marie Vuillemin's role in the Bonnot Gang as "woman", which lead to her being acquitted." Though I would have used the exact word in French from the prosecutor's opening if I could have found it easily. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 23:31, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I appreciate that this may not have been clear, I just wasn't sure how else to word it. To quote the source:
- @Theleekycauldron, Gatoclass, and BlueMoonset: Any ideas on possible alternate wording for the hook here? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:07, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5:: I'd support MtBotany's alt proposal. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:33, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer needed. Z1720 (talk) 02:26, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
DYK nom made within four days of the article's creation. Article is long enough and COPYVIO free. QPQ was done. Source is reliable and supports the claim. Point of fact with the source: page 155 says the prosecutor made the point of their womanhood and page 160 assesses they were let off "in a display of gentlemanly grace"
. Page 159 (cited in the article) says they were acquitted of all charges, which is true. I guess the hook is "interesting" enough. Hook is 156 characters. The alternate hook is 117 characters and I don't prefer it. The other linked articles don't present problems with "presentability". I'm sorry drive-by comments delayed this by a month. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:50, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
