Template:Did you know nominations/Maria Nieves
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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 12:00, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
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María Nieves
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... that María Nieves (pictured) and her partner were only booked for a week but their Tango Argentino show went on to get nominations for a Tony?
- Reviewed: QPQ = Aurora Bosch
Created by Ipigott (talk), Victuallers (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 17:18, 4 March 2014 (UTC).
- Comment: The hook is fine but strictly speaking it should be María Nieves with an accent (as in the title of the article).--Ipigott (talk) 21:34, 4 March 2014 (UTC) Thx fixed Victuallers (talk) 23:28, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Created and nominated for DYK on the same day, and is about 2500 characters, satisfying date and length criteria. References #2 and #4 are not reliable sources, as the first is a blog and the second is a company website; they are written by people who could be considered experts in the field, but there is no evidence of the sources used to write either article, so neither is acceptable as a reference. This means that the first three sentences of each of the first two paragraphs in the "Career" section need new sources. I will assume good faith for ref #5, which I cannot access, and all claims supported by the other refs have been verified. Could you specify the year Copes and Nieves married, as "as soon as she was of legal age" is vague. QPQ has been completed, though it appears to also have been used for the Bexhill Museum nomination; Aurora Bosch did have two articles to review, so I'll leave it to those who promote DYKs to determine if this is acceptable. Mindmatrix 14:36, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
After further review, it appears that the source used for the claim about the Tony Award is wrong. The Tony Award search site returns four results for "Tango Argentino", all nominations (three in 1986, one in 2000) and no winners. I've stricken the original hook from consideration. Please add a different hook and prune info about this from the article. Mindmatrix 14:56, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
- Well spotted. I have removed the two refs and either deleted the info or reassigned them to existing sources. I understand about the date of the marriage being vague but unfortunately it is not possible to specify more than the source quotes without speculation. I have removed the phrase in case that helps you. The Tony award was well sourced but I guess books can be wrong. I have amended the article and the hook below is an alt Victuallers (talk) 22:11, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
ALT1:... that María Nieves (pictured) who is in her seventies was dancing the Tango in the West End in 2011?
- I've added a source for the 1986 Tony Award nominations (replacing the tony Award search page), and rephrased a few things. The sentences: "Juan Carlos Copes discovered her dancing at the Club Estrella when she was only 14. He immediately chose her as his partner and married her later." are no longer sourced, and the source used for the subsequent sentence does not support this. Other changes seem OK. Image appears to be from a government source with appropriate free licence. I find ALT1 slightly awkward, so I've added ALT2 as an alternative. Mindmatrix 23:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that in her seventies, María Nieves (pictured) was dancing the tango in the West End in 2010?
- Your Alt2 requires a third party approval I'm told, but its obviously OK with me. I have removed the sentence that you object to (with apologies to the main author) Victuallers (talk) 07:56, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
- For the record, I objected to the lack of citations, not the content itself. Mindmatrix 15:47, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
- For the record - DYK rules require one ref per para or on contentious material. Being as there are lots of refs then then the only valid reason would be to object to the material being contentious.... or one of is mistaken about the DYK process. Thanks for the review and to Cymhiraeth too Victuallers (talk) 16:02, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
- The rule is one ref per paragraph if all content in that paragraph is sourced to that single ref. That was not the case here. (The ref I asked to remove supported the claim, but it was not reliable.) Mindmatrix 16:43, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
- The rule is "D2: The article in general should use inline, cited sources. A rule of thumb is one inline citation per paragraph, excluding the intro, plot summaries, and paragraphs which summarize other cited content." - I cannot find a citation for the additional claims you propose. Victuallers (talk) 17:00, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
- The rule is one ref per paragraph if all content in that paragraph is sourced to that single ref. That was not the case here. (The ref I asked to remove supported the claim, but it was not reliable.) Mindmatrix 16:43, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
- For the record - DYK rules require one ref per para or on contentious material. Being as there are lots of refs then then the only valid reason would be to object to the material being contentious.... or one of is mistaken about the DYK process. Thanks for the review and to Cymhiraeth too Victuallers (talk) 16:02, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
- For the record, I objected to the lack of citations, not the content itself. Mindmatrix 15:47, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
- Your Alt2 requires a third party approval I'm told, but its obviously OK with me. I have removed the sentence that you object to (with apologies to the main author) Victuallers (talk) 07:56, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
This article seems to meet all DYK criteria. I have struck the first two hooks and changed the date in ALT2 to 2010, the year mentioned in the article and its source. The image is suitably licensed. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:58, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
