Template:Did you know nominations/Margaret Louden

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 20:53, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Margaret Louden

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... that Margaret Louden developed a technique used to save people crushed by rubble during the The Blitz, but did not write up her work and her contribution was forgotten until the 1990s? Source: Plarr's Lives of the Fellows
- ALT1:... that Margaret Louden treated Sir James Martin, the inventor of the ejector seat, after he had been injured in a fight and then advised him on the effects of ejection on the skeleton? Source: Powell & Ramsay, Georgia & Katharine (2005). Chin up, Girls! A book of women's obituaries. Great Britain: Hodder Headline. pp. 43–46. ISBN 0-7195-6300-3.

Reviewed: Marie Surcouf

Created by Davidjes601 (talk). Nominated by Zeromonk (talk) at 10:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC).

Moved from Draft to mainspace on October 18, so submission is timely. Prose is long enough. No copyvio detected, and article is neutrally written. QPQ is verified.

I'm AGF on the offline source, but I have a few comments on the hooks:

ALT0 is a bit weirdly written, so I'm rewording it as ALT0a: "... that surgeon Margaret Louden developed a treatment for people crushed by rubble during the The Blitz, but because she did not write up her work, her contribution was forgotten until the 1990s?"
ALT1 doesn't align exactly with the facts presented in the article, so I'm narrowing it down to ALT1a: "... that surgeon Margaret Louden treated Sir James Martin, the inventor of the ejector seat, then later advised him on the effects of ejection on the skeleton?"

I'd appreciate your thoughts on the above. Nice job! Edge3 (talk) 04:27, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Edge3, if you feel there are issues with both hooks, then the ? icon is a better one to use then the AGF tick (which is appropriate if everything is okay except for being unable to check the offline source). Pinging nominator Zeromonk, to respond to Edge3's suggested alternates to the original hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:33, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: Thanks for the reminder, as it's been a while since I've participated in DYK. FYI, Zeromonk has not edited in four days, and my modifications to the hooks are minor, so this might be a case where we (as reviewers/promoters) exercise discretion on how the hook will be worded in its final version. Edge3 (talk) 04:49, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Edge3 and BlueMoonset: Hello folks, thanks for your replies and apologies for being slow in getting back to you - I have caring responsibilities that mean I can't get onto Wiki as often as I previously did but I'm trying to keep involved! I'm very happy with either of the Alt-hooks, thanks for the editorial suggestions. Zeromonk (talk) 10:29, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

No worries! I totally understand the need to balance other responsibilities.

Restoring my previous tick to indicate approval. Edge3 (talk) 14:49, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Edge3 and Zeromonk: could someone cite this sentence: However, it was not until this case was published in the British Medical Journal in 1990 that Louden's contribution became known? it's rather crucial, as both the hook sentence and as an end-of-paragraph sentence. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 06:58, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

@Theleekycauldron and Edge3: thanks for raising this - I had taken the citation to the Telegraph made by the original page creator out because it was just to the website for the paper not the specific article, and I had forgotten to put it back, sorry! Have added it back in. Zeromonk (talk) 08:21, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Modified ALT0a to T:DYK/P2