Template:Did you know nominations/Manuel Osa Nsue Nsua
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 09:15, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
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Manuel Osa Nsue Nsua
- ... that a banker was named the prime minister of Equatorial Guinea to succeed a government that resigned for being "ineffective"?
- Source: News Central Africa ("Equatorial Guinea’s President Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo has appointed former bank chief Manuel Osa Nsue Nsua as prime minister, following a decree issued nearly three weeks after the previous government resigned for being 'ineffective.'")
- ALT1: ... that a banker was named his country's prime minister to succeed a government that resigned for being "ineffective"? Source: same
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Alfred Sully
- Comment: Open to other ways of wording or other ALT hooks. Was hoping to get this Equatoguinean featured in some way (since not many get featured after all - this would be only the country's third-ever DYK bio!).
Created by BeanieFan11 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 240 past nominations.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC).
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| QPQ: Done. |
Overall: 
You barely made the 7-day period! The hook is a little confusing, but oh well. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 14:03, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- TheNuggeteer, "but oh well" is not an adequate response to a hook being confusing. Please suggest improvements as part of your review. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:00, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- New review probably best due to the reviewer's topic ban. Sorry. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Doing a fresh review:
- The infobox says he took office on the 17th, but has a {{fact}} tag. This source cited elsewhere in the article says the 16th: https://ahoraeg.com/politica/2024/08/16/ultima-hora-manuel-osa-nsue-nsuga-nuevo-primer-ministro-de-guinea-ecuatorial/
- The hook is using "ineffective" in quotes but the Bloomberg quotes are way harsher ("an unprecedented economic crisis that threatens the stability of the government") Maybe something like this is direct without crossing WP:DYKBLP:
- ALT2: ... that the head of the National Bank was named prime minister of Equatorial Guinea after his predecessor resigned during an economic crisis?
- @AirshipJungleman29: can I bother you for your opinion on whether this is less confusing than the original hook?
- The source for "ineffective"[1] isn't clearly cited after the quote in the article since another citation comes before the relevant one.
- No issues with plagiarism or copying (EARWIG is back up and I spot-checked a couple sources). Quotes are in "quotes". No issues with OR; everything is cited. NPOV is pretty good. I would cut "
with Jeune Afrique dubbing him the bank's "savior"
" since that sentence is already explaining how he turned the bank around.
@BeanieFan11: Could you offer an ALT hook for the reasons noted above? {{ping}} me when you're ready and I'll take another look. The article is good, the country is under-represented here, and there is most likely a solid hook to pull from it, Rjjiii (talk) 04:34, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Rjjiii: I think your ALT2 suggestion works, or it could be modified such as ALT3 ... that the head of the national bank was named prime minister of Equatorial Guinea after his predecessor resigned during an economic crisis? (lowercase 'national bank') or ALT4 ... that a banker was named prime minister of Equatorial Guinea after his predecessor resigned during an economic crisis? – I could remove the 'savior' quote from the article, although I think it might be useful as it shows just how impactful he was to the bank. Is that all? BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:40, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: I'm going to approve ALT3 and ALT4. Let me know when you address the [citation needed] tag in the infobox and the "ineffective" quote's citation (WP:DYKCITE), and I'll mark it as approved. The "savior" quote is not a deal breaker, Rjjiii (talk) 01:54, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Rjjiii: I'm a little unsure of how to address them. The decree appointing him PM was made on 16 August, whereas almost all the reporting was made on August 17 – I didn't see anything specifying him taking office, only that he was appointed to it. Not sure how to fix it... As for the citation, to fix would it be to remove reference five? Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:56, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Reference 5 in this version: [2]? The next reference is 8 which also doesn't have the quote. It's in 3. Why not just duplicate 3? For the infobox, if August 17 is correct, just add the citation that says August 17 in place of the {{fact}} tag, Rjjiii (talk) 03:35, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: This nomination will time out in a couple of weeks (WP:DYKTIMEOUT), Rjjiii (talk) 13:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Rjjiii: I duplicated ref three (I think I had mixed up which sources were which). The issue with the date is that I do not know if August 17 is correct or not. The decree appointing him to the position was made on August 16; I didn't see anything specifying when he assumed office. (Also, there's no requirement for it to be timed out on that date, only that it 'may be at the discretion of the reviewer') BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:33, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: "
The issue with the date is that I do not know if August 17 is correct or not.
" Then don't put it in the article? There's no requirement to fill out every parameter on an infobox. "The decree appointing him to the position was made on August 16;
" then either say that in the lead or omit the specific date? If necessary, you can add an explanation in a footnote (Wikipedia:When sources are wrong). Rjjiii (talk) 16:05, 12 October 2024 (UTC)- Maybe in the infobox I could put something like "c. 17 August 2024" with a note e.g. "Osa's appointment was made on August 16, but it was first reported on August 17 and it is unclear on which date he assumed office" – and change the lead to just "serving since August 2024"? BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: I'd be fine with that. Just point the reader to a source they can check out for themselves. They essay I linked above gives a few different examples of how to approach something like that. Rjjiii (talk) 00:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Rjjiii: I added the note; does that work? BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
@BeanieFan11: Yes, that works. I'm approving ALT3 and ALT4. Thanks, Rjjiii (talk) 00:00, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Rjjiii: I added the note; does that work? BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: I'd be fine with that. Just point the reader to a source they can check out for themselves. They essay I linked above gives a few different examples of how to approach something like that. Rjjiii (talk) 00:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe in the infobox I could put something like "c. 17 August 2024" with a note e.g. "Osa's appointment was made on August 16, but it was first reported on August 17 and it is unclear on which date he assumed office" – and change the lead to just "serving since August 2024"? BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: "
- @Rjjiii: I duplicated ref three (I think I had mixed up which sources were which). The issue with the date is that I do not know if August 17 is correct or not. The decree appointing him to the position was made on August 16; I didn't see anything specifying when he assumed office. (Also, there's no requirement for it to be timed out on that date, only that it 'may be at the discretion of the reviewer') BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:33, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Rjjiii: I'm a little unsure of how to address them. The decree appointing him PM was made on 16 August, whereas almost all the reporting was made on August 17 – I didn't see anything specifying him taking office, only that he was appointed to it. Not sure how to fix it... As for the citation, to fix would it be to remove reference five? Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:56, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: I'm going to approve ALT3 and ALT4. Let me know when you address the [citation needed] tag in the infobox and the "ineffective" quote's citation (WP:DYKCITE), and I'll mark it as approved. The "savior" quote is not a deal breaker, Rjjiii (talk) 01:54, 11 October 2024 (UTC)