Template:Did you know nominations/Madonna of the Book (Botticelli)
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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 11:52, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
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Madonna of the Book
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... that Sandro Botticelli's c. 1481 Madonna of the Book (pictured) was painted using egg yolk, gold, and lapis lazuli?
Created/expanded by 7&6=thirteen (talk), Hafspajen (talk), and Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen (talk) at 17:05, 5 November 2014 (UTC).
- Comment 5X expansion. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:10, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- ALT 1
... that Sandro Botticelli's c. 1481 Madonna of the Book (pictured), housed in the Museo Poldi Pezzoli, was painted using egg tempera, gold, and lapis lazuli? - Comment - I think the picture is most interesting. Perhaps this could be first in the queue with its picture if the promoting editor likes it.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:18, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: ALT1 is better. How about Christmas? I may review later but am not in the mood for writing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:17, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
- But then the hook should aim to have more to do with the subject matter, no? — LlywelynII 11:36, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
- Side note: the hooks have been emended since Gerda Arendt (talk · contribs) expressed this preference. — LlywelynII 11:36, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Interesting article on a great painting. Hands "follow"? (not sure if that's the right term for them being parallel or what?) I don't find the "intellectual vs. loving" in the museum source. Any hook about more than the materials? Symbolism? Hands? Would be good for Christmas. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 27 November 2014 (UTC)- Cleanup of grammar, phrasing, and MOS compliance in the hooks. Is there some reason we're contractually obligated to mention the museum housing the painting? Otherwise, it seems to be an entirely separate hook in the middle of another (unrelated) one. — LlywelynII 11:29, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt I was away when 7&6=thirteen nominated this. I might have forgot to add translation - never thought about nominating it either, the article is a translation from here - Spanish Wiki. A description - of a Rafael painting - like the text is talking about is here. [1] - I was away travelling - and realized that somebody nominated this while I was away - but then it happened so many things while away - I simply forgot to add that tagging, and never reflected about it later. I just posted it at Gareth's page and asked him to copy-edit it - and left. I guess it was there 7&6=thirteen found it. Hafspajen (talk) 06:21, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- About the intellectual part - this might cover it. [2] - The Madonna of the Magnificat (1482) and The Madonna of the Pomegranate (c. 1487). Botticelli also painted a few small oblong Madonnas, notably the Madonna of the Book (c. 1480), but he mostly left the painting of Madonnas and other devotional subjects to his workshop, which produced them in great numbers. In his art the Virgin Mary is always a tall, queenly figure wearing the conventional red robe and blue cloak, but enriched in his autograph works by sensitively rendered accessories. She often has an inner pensiveness of expression, the same inwardness of mood that is communicated by Botticelli’s saints. If the translation is not acceptable, chuck Rafael. Hafspajen (talk) 06:32, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Some more here Botticelli ... was overshadowed first by the advent of what Vasari called the maniera devota, a new style by Perugino, Francesco Francia and the young Raphael, whose new and humanly affective sentiment, infused atmospheric effects and sweet colourism took Italy by storm; - Hafspajen (talk) 07:17, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Malaguzzi, Silvia; Botticelli, Sandro (2004). Botticelli. Ediz. Inglese (Print). Florence: Giunti. p. 40. ISBN 8809036778. Retrieved 3 November 2014. has more information which could be relevant and which I did not fully mine. Hope that helps. I only went with the original hook because it seemed incontestible, and was aligned with the newly discovered facts about it. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:18, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt and LlywelynII - how's now? Hafspajen (talk) 14:46, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
- First concern: the article was moved, that's not yet reflected in this template. Mandarax for help? Second: do you have a better hook bout mother and child on possibly Christmas Day than materials and a museum? Third: was copyediting done to please LlywelynII. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:58, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
- Well, that's ALT "2 " and "3", yes, some copyediting was done by Victoria to please LlywelynII - and -Mandarax, true, article was moved. Hafspajen (talk) 15:01, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, I missed ALT2 and 3, like them (the bloody one a little better), fixed "the the", the article name, a typo, - just waiting for LlywelynII nodding and a fix of the article name, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
- You didn't missed them,
; they were not there before. Hafspajen (talk) 01:01, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- ALT 2
... that in Sandro Botticelli's Madonna of the Book (pictured), the Christ Child is holding the three nails of the cross and the crown of thorns?
- If you find that too blood-icing - try this:
- ALT 3
... that in Sandro Botticelli's Madonna of the Book (pictured), the cherries on the plates symbolize the Paradise, while the plums indicate the tenderness between Mary and the Christ Child?
--Hafspajen (talk) 15:10, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
- Well, that's ALT "2 " and "3", yes, some copyediting was done by Victoria to please LlywelynII - and -Mandarax, true, article was moved. Hafspajen (talk) 15:01, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, I missed ALT2 and 3, like them (the bloody one a little better), fixed "the the", the article name, a typo, - just waiting for LlywelynII nodding and a fix of the article name, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
- You didn't missed them, ; they were not there before. Hafspajen (talk) 01:01, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- I moved them down, and trust Victoria. Looking closer, the Passion symbols were possibly added later. Leaves tenderness, why not? As I don't find "paradise" in the source provided, but "blood", I go for a combination
- ALT4: ... that in Boticelli's Madonna of the Book (pictured), "cherries allude to Christ's blood, the plums to the tenderness of the Mother and the Child"?
- I did the review so far, but would like someone else to approve that hook, and we are open to new ones, - we still have time before Christmas, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- I am good with any of the alternate hooks. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:52, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- HM; but Paradise was there most surely. Where did that go? Hafspajen (talk) 17:02, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- ALT 5 ... that Sandro Botticelli's Madonna of the Book (pictured) was called the perfect beauty?
- Well, that's ALT "2 " and "3", yes, some copyediting was done by Victoria to please LlywelynII - and -Mandarax, true, article was moved. Hafspajen (talk) 15:01, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
could be added if hook liked. Hafspajen (talk) 22:23, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- I like tenderness better than perfect beauty ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- Well, it is catchy, but not that Christmasy. Hafspajen (talk) 23:10, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Full review still needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:57, 11 December 2014 (UTC)- Alt 6 ... that Madonna of the Book (pictured), by Sandro Botticelli, is painted with lapis lazuli in the top layer?"
- Comment A little bit of irony here. Alt 6 is in many respects a reordered rework of the original hook. Nothing wrong with that but... 7&6=thirteen (☎) 02:14, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Approve ALT4, by far the most interesting. Well over 5X expansion at nomination time. Picture is PD. No copvio found. Good MOS and references. Hook referenced. HalfGig talk 04:37, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
