Template:Did you know nominations/Lycus (river of Constantinople)

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 22:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Lycus (river of Constantinople)

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The Lycus valley at the Theodosian walls looking north in 1836

... that on 29 May 1453 the Ottomans penetrated Constantinople from the Lycus valley (pictured)?

Source: This part of the walls is the most vulnerable...since here the fortifications descend in the valley of the Lycus...it was this section of the wall that was finally breached...on the morning of 29 May 1453. Freely (1991), p. 279

Reviewed: Bulgur Palas
Comment: As alternative to the displayed picture we could use this engraving, which shows the bottom of the valley near the walls.

Created by Alessandro57 (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 81 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Alex2006 (talk) 05:50, 3 May 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing:
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Other problems:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article reached Good Article status within 7 days of nomination. QPQ is done. Image licensing is fine. The references look reliable and basic facts can be verified online, though I wish a more typical referencing format was used. I do recommend that the nominator adds some online, English-language references to complement the books and the two Turkish online sources used in the article.

The hook is cited within the article, although it is a little difficult to find - if it is the most important historical fact about this river, then it should be mentioned in the lead and preferably described as a sub-section, rather than mentioned in a single line by the end. For the hook itself, I think that the date isn't so important, and the strategic aspect should be emphasized more. Suggested wording: ... that weak defences around the Lycus valley played a pivotal role in the Fall of Constantinople? InformationToKnowledge (talk) 23:28, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@Alessandro57: Please address the above concerns. Z1720 (talk) 23:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for pinging, I totally forgot this. I will address the concerns during the weekend. Alex2006 (talk) 06:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@InformationToKnowledge:, and thanks for your review. Unfortunately, I could not find sources in English that describe Lycus geographically and hydrologically in detail. however, I have added a couple of online sources for what concerns history. I have created a subsection on the siege of Constantinople and expanded it. Regarding the hook, I think yours is definitely better:

ALT1... that weak defenses around the Lycus valley (pictured) played a pivotal role in the Fall of Constantinople?

Question: which of the two images do you think is better? Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 07:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@Alessandro57: Great! The article is a lot better now. I think more English online sources can be added still, even if they only help to cover its military history - i.e. just today, on the event's anniversary, this article was published and it refers to the Byzantine Emperor personally fighting in that position, which is a very interesting detail. However, that can be addressed at any time, and I am passing the nomination on this anniversary.

Question: which of the two images do you think is better? - Is the other image

? I certainly prefer that one, as the walls are more immediately visible. The image you included here looks a lot like typical countryside without zooming in closer. InformationToKnowledge (talk) 16:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, @InformationToKnowledge:, I changed the image. Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 07:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)