Template:Did you know nominations/Lycorma imperialis
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 09:53, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
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Lycorma imperialis
- ... that Lycorma imperialis was discovered by Adam White in 1846? Source: "Genus Lycorma Stal, 1863
- ALT1: ... that Lycorma imperialis, along with other planthoppers, is called a "lanternbug" but does not actually emit any light? Source: Burrows, M.; Ghosh, A.; Sutton, G. P.; Yeshwanth, H. M.; Rogers, S. M.; Sane, S. P. (9 December 2021). "Jumping in lantern bugs (Hemiptera, Fulgoridae)". Journal of Experimental Biology. 224 (23): jeb243361. doi:10.1242/jeb.243361. ISSN 0022-0949. Retrieved 31 January 2022
- ALT2: ... that Lycorma imperialis and other planthopper nymphs use a gear-like mechanism in their hindlegs to jump? Source: Burrows, Malcolm; Sutton, Gregory P. (13 September 2013). "Interacting Gears Synchronize Propulsive Leg Movements in a Jumping Insect". Science. 341 (6151): 1254–1256. doi:10.1126/science.1240284. ISSN 0036-8075. PMID 24031019.
- Comment: Only 2 DYK, no need for QPQ
- Comment: Techincally, I think this meets both GA and 5x expansion (if not then its close).
Improved to Good Article status by Etriusus (talk). Self-nominated at 13:31, 9 February 2022 (UTC).
Article was promoted to GA status in time and all DYK/GA requirements are met including sourcing and close paraphrasing. As the nominator has less than five DYK nominations a QPQ is not required. I suggest not going with the original hook because I don't think White is a well-known name to our general readership and thus the hook is the most niche out of the three. ALT2 is interesting and its source is cited inline; I am assuming good faith for the source since I cannot access it. ALT1 is also interesting; however, there are some issues with the sourcing. First, the Science Olympiad source appears to be a Wiki and I cannot access it. The other source seems to be reliable, but the source does not mention L. imperialis by name anywhere on the page; indeed, the source states that the "do not emit light" thing applies to all lantern bugs (note the spacing per the source) rather than just this particular species. If ALT1 is clarified to mention that all lantern bugs do not emit light and not just this one, ALT1 may work. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:19, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: We can drop ALT0 in that case. ALT1 is fixed. ALT2, I clarified to be more general in respect to the abstract. Here is a better source for ALT1. Etriusus 01:45, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the edits. I'm almost ready to approve this: I would just like one thing to be clarified: is L. imperialis explicitly mentioned in the "Interacting Gears" journal article? I don't have access to the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:46, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- It isn't mentioned; only another planthopper species. The full article is available here from author, so ALT2 probably can't be used. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:30, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- In the full paper (Thank you Mike) its less clear about if thats a general trait of planthoppers or not. Realistically, I'll need to cut this from the article. In that case, just promote ALT1, its not a hill I feel particularly strong about dying on. (My cat walked across my keyboard so hopefully none of the code was broken) Etriusus 20:50, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- Well it looks like some code did break since the top of the page had some weird text; I've fixed it now. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:47, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Is there anything else that needs to be taken care of before promoting ALT 1? I put the updated source on alt 1. Etriusus 22:34, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- To be honest, I'm a bit on the fence about it. My main concern is really more of the source not mentioning L. imperialis by name in the source, which I feel may be discouraged by DYK. I'll ask for a second opinion from our resident biology expert Cwmhiraeth if the source saying that all species under Lycorma having that trait (and thus by extension imperialis) is sufficient for DYK purposes. The hook itself is interesting and fine, it's the sourcing that's giving me pause at the moment. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:19, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
- Sounds good, most online sources state that Lanternbug and Fulgoridae are synymous. It's a rather complex issue however since the subfamily (arguably) doesn't use to the distinction but the genus seems to. Weither that be western colloquilaism thanks to Spotted lanternfly (lycorma deleticula) or a scientific designation is difficult to say. The implication from the Fulgoridae article's uncited passage is that light based names means it is considered a lanternfly, with lycorma derives from the word lyco or light. Likewise, its most immediate relative is also called "lanternfly" and "lanternbug".
- Here is an Okay source, but not the best. I'll wait for the expert opinion before digging further.
- I am in no way a natural history expert, but anyway, I think ALT1 is both interesting and cited inline to a reliable source. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:06, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the input Cwmhiraeth. I'll just wait for Etriusus's response before approving this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:53, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Sounds good. Thank you both for being so thorough. Etriusus 17:18, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
- I am in no way a natural history expert, but anyway, I think ALT1 is both interesting and cited inline to a reliable source. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:06, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
- To be honest, I'm a bit on the fence about it. My main concern is really more of the source not mentioning L. imperialis by name in the source, which I feel may be discouraged by DYK. I'll ask for a second opinion from our resident biology expert Cwmhiraeth if the source saying that all species under Lycorma having that trait (and thus by extension imperialis) is sufficient for DYK purposes. The hook itself is interesting and fine, it's the sourcing that's giving me pause at the moment. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:19, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Is there anything else that needs to be taken care of before promoting ALT 1? I put the updated source on alt 1. Etriusus 22:34, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the edits. I'm almost ready to approve this: I would just like one thing to be clarified: is L. imperialis explicitly mentioned in the "Interacting Gears" journal article? I don't have access to the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:46, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Okay, if she says it's good enough for her then it's good enough for me. GTG with ALT1. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:45, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
