Template:Did you know nominations/Lord Alex Oakwell
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The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 23:16, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Lord Alex Oakwell
[edit]- ... that during Emmerdale's 25th anniversary episode, Lord Alex Oakwell caused the death of established character Linda Fowler?
- Reviewed: Rukwa Valley
Created/expanded by JuneGloom07 (talk). Self nom at 18:43, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Dull hook. There have been a lot of episodes of TV shows where one character caused the death of another. Plus, like the article lede, it's a bit too in-universe, which it seems to me we try to avoid in DYK hooks about fictional characters. Daniel Case (talk) 18:25, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
- IMO The lede section captures the real world aspects. Here are some others ones that could be used.
- ALT 1: ... that Tony Purnell of the Daily Mirror said that Emmerdale character Lord Alex Oakwell was becoming the "biggest baddie" on television.
- ALT 2: ... that a snow flurry disrupted the filming for an episode of Emmerdale, in which character Lord Alex Oakwell returned to the series.Rain the 1 22:32, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Article was moved into mainspace on April 1st. It qualifies for DYK on the grounds of newness and length and is within policy. I would go for the original hook which I do not find uninteresting. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:14, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
- I wasn't raising the newness and length issues. But I still think we could have a better article, and better hooks. Yes, those other two are out-of-universe. But that still doesn't make them good hooks. If I was pressed I'd go with ALT1, but still ... we try to avoid hooks of the "X says something clever about subject" variety unless the something clever is really over the top or it comes from an interesting speaker. ALT2 is more about that episode than the character.
WP:IN-U will not be satisifed by just having the lede section not apply. There are several examples of FAs about TV show characters, Pauline Fowler, a character from another British soap opera, might be an interesting example to emulate. Daniel Case (talk) 02:46, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, the article is better now in that department. I still wish we had a better hook, but ... whatever. Daniel Case (talk) 02:47, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
- Here's another hook idea:
- ALT3: ... that the actor who played Lord Alex Oakwell on Emmerdale was reportedly "thrilled" to get the part and described the character as "weak-willed, arrogant and motivated by self-preservation"? --Orlady (talk) 22:34, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
- Here's another hook idea:
- Actually, the article is better now in that department. I still wish we had a better hook, but ... whatever. Daniel Case (talk) 02:47, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
- I wasn't raising the newness and length issues. But I still think we could have a better article, and better hooks. Yes, those other two are out-of-universe. But that still doesn't make them good hooks. If I was pressed I'd go with ALT1, but still ... we try to avoid hooks of the "X says something clever about subject" variety unless the something clever is really over the top or it comes from an interesting speaker. ALT2 is more about that episode than the character.
Let's go for ALT3. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:35, 28 April 2012 (UTC)