Template:Did you know nominations/Little Red Rooster
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 00:03, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
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Little Red Rooster
[edit]- ... that musicians often mimic barnyard animal sounds with vocal and instrumental onomatopoeia in the American blues song "Little Red Rooster"?
- Comment: Nominated slightly after the five day deadline. See Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Supplementary_guidelines#D9
Improved to Good Article status by Ojorojo (talk). Nominated by Viriditas (talk) at 00:50, 14 May 2014 (UTC).
Recent GA, good quality article on blues standard, well referenced. AGF on hook cited to book reference. Oceanh (talk) 08:51, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks. I won't have the QPQ review done until tomorrow or so. For the sake of transparency (and other reviewers who will look at this hook) I would like to "show my work" (actually Ojorojo's work, as he wrote the material) and point directly to the content in the current article that this hook originates from:
- 1. "A variety of musicians have interpreted and recorded "Little Red Rooster". Some add new words and instrumentation to mimic the sounds of animals mentioned in the lyrics."
- 2. "For her recording, Memphis Minnie does a full-throated imitation of a rooster's crow. Mimicking animal sounds later became a feature of several recordings of "Little Red Rooster".
- 3. "A young Billy Preston uses "playful organ vocalizing" or organ lines to imitate the sounds of a rooster crowing and, following the lyrics, dogs barking and hounds howling."
- 4. "'It was his [Jones'] masterpiece, his inspired guitar howling like a hound, barking like a dog, crowing like a rooster' (similar to Billy Preston's 'playful organ vocalizing')."
- If anyone has questions about this hook or thinks they can improve it, please have at it. I'm open to collaboration and changes. Viriditas (talk) 09:29, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
- Technically, you don't have to do a QPQ since this is not a self-nom. But if you want to do one as a courtesy, DYK could certainly use the help. — Maile (talk) 11:41, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
- I'm happy to help, as Anna Frodesiak is fond of saying. :) I just have to finish one GA review right now, and then I'm going to make a self-nom, at which time I will review two DYK noms. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 01:10, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
- Great hook. I was just wondering about the use of the term onomatopoeia. It appears to be usually linked to the naming of sounds or the use of words to imitate them. Thus Dixon uses onomatopoeia in his verses "Oh the dogs begin to bark, hounds begin to howl". It's unclear if it is widely used or understood to refer to wordless imitation. Is a hunter's or birder's call also onomatopoeia? Or musicians imitating animal sounds on their instruments? A quick looks at some pieces that use such sounds don't mention onomatopoeia (Beethoven's Pastoral Symphony and Saint-Saëns' The Carnival of the Animals are usually listed). Something to consider (if it hasn't been already). —Ojorojo (talk) 13:15, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, I'm out the door right now, but the literature on onomatopoeia in music is extensive and is definitely used to refer to the "imitation of environmental sounds by musical instruments".[1] I would go so far as to claim that this kind of mimicry of the natural environment forms the primary, evolutionary hypothesis for the development and use of music by early human cultures. The difference between musical onomatopoeia and its use in literature (or lyrics) has been recognized for some time.[2] Perhaps someone with an extensive academic background in music will weigh in here. Of course, while I personally feel it is correct and appropriate, I have no objection to anyone modifying the hook. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 19:49, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
- Great hook. I was just wondering about the use of the term onomatopoeia. It appears to be usually linked to the naming of sounds or the use of words to imitate them. Thus Dixon uses onomatopoeia in his verses "Oh the dogs begin to bark, hounds begin to howl". It's unclear if it is widely used or understood to refer to wordless imitation. Is a hunter's or birder's call also onomatopoeia? Or musicians imitating animal sounds on their instruments? A quick looks at some pieces that use such sounds don't mention onomatopoeia (Beethoven's Pastoral Symphony and Saint-Saëns' The Carnival of the Animals are usually listed). Something to consider (if it hasn't been already). —Ojorojo (talk) 13:15, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
- I'm happy to help, as Anna Frodesiak is fond of saying. :) I just have to finish one GA review right now, and then I'm going to make a self-nom, at which time I will review two DYK noms. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 01:10, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
- Technically, you don't have to do a QPQ since this is not a self-nom. But if you want to do one as a courtesy, DYK could certainly use the help. — Maile (talk) 11:41, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
- Since the word "onomatopoeia" is not used in the article, I think it's best if the hook doesn't use it, especially as the wikilink to the article here doesn't allow for the possibility of instrumental onomatopoeia. I'm going to promote the article, but change "vocal and instrumental onomatopoeia" to "voices and instruments", which is also a bit more straightforward. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:03, 17 May 2014 (UTC)