Template:Did you know nominations/Little Ice Age volcanism
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The result was: rejected by SL93 (talk) 22:34, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Abandoned by nominator.
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Little Ice Age volcanism
graph of average temperature on the Earth
- ... that Little Ice Age volcanism is likely to have caused global cooling? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
- Reviewed: SY Gunilda
- Comment: Part of Regional Geology course
Moved to mainspace by Marcolam308 (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 03:30, 23 November 2020 (UTC).
- I oppose the hook. Based on the reference for this very image, there was essentially no global cooling during the so-called Little Ice Age. LIA was a regional phenomenon. See Hawkins, Ed (January 30, 2020). "2019 years". climate-lab-book.ac.uk. Archived from the original on February 2, 2020. RCraig09 (talk) 23:28, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
- That's not entirely true. It seems that there was some global cooling towards the end of the little ice age due to volcanism, as shown be the pages2k consortium. Femke Nijsse (talk) 10:00, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- I agree that there were a couple of volcano-related temperature declines during the LIA. But the hook misleadingly ~suggests that volcanism-induced cooling was "special" to the LIA. The pages2k chart shows such declines outside the LIA as well. Such a hook might be generally appropriate to Volcanism or Volcano, but not specific to the LIA. —RCraig09 (talk) 19:29, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
This is a student nomination from a student who is not editing anymore. Nomination is one day outside the seven day window. There's scattered unsourced sentences, but they're quite general and the article would meet length requirements even if they were simply deleted. Earwig is only picking up short phrases. Clearly the hook is causing quibbles, so a new one could be used. RCraig09 and Femke Nijsse, if either of you have time could you take a quick look to see if the article is accurate as a whole, and if there are interesting points you feel would serve as a hook? CMD (talk) 03:27, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- I think it's a shame the article hasn't used modern sources much. The term "little ice age" has fallen somewhat out of fashion, so that may explain the bias towards older sources. Our article now says there have been three cooling periods, and I can only discern the last one in https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6675609/ (and another one just before LIA). I'm not sure what quality we expect of DYK articles, but I suspect doesn't meet those. If it does, we could add:
ALT1 ... that Little Ice Age volcanism likely caused global cooling in the early 19th century.
- Definitely, any hook should be limited to shorter periods of time, to avoid any implication that the earth as a whole experienced a substantial, persistent net cooling over 3-5 centuries. Separately: besides the hook, I agree with User:Femkemilene/Femke Nijsse that the article likely doesn't meet Wikipedia standards, and correcting the issues might demand a long time of editors conversant with quite technical subject matter. —RCraig09 (talk) 18:49, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
ALT2 ... that Little Ice Age volcanism likely caused short periods of global cooling in the __th—__th centuries.
- Quality-wise, DYK articles are required only to be neutral, appropriately sourced, and without plagiarism. It's not too high a bar, and I feel you both may be operating from higher standards. I noticed Marcolam308 has made a new edit, so perhaps they may further improve the article and/or comment here. CMD (talk) 15:57, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Marking for closure as abandoned by nominator, who has not responded to multiple pings on this and other nominations over the past several weeks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:29, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
