Template:Did you know nominations/Lisette Olivera

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 19:17, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Lisette Olivera

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Lisette Olivera in 2022

• ... that American Latina actress Lisette Olivera plays a young DREAMer and would-be cryptologist as the lead in Disney TV series National Treasure: Edge of History? Source: https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/national-treasure-edge-of-history-lisette-olivera-interview - The Gates-equivalent of this series is 22-year-old aspiring cryptologist, Jess Valenzuela (Lisette Olivera), a "Dreamer" / With Jess being a Dreamer, or a recipient of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals ( DACA) program
  • ALT1: ... that a DREAMer, played by American Latina actress Lisette Olivera (pictured), takes over the lead in the new National Treasure series, National Treasure: Edge of History, from Nicolas Cage's Ben Franklin Gates? Source: https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/national-treasure-edge-of-history-lisette-olivera-interview - The Gates-equivalent of this series is 22-year-old aspiring cryptologist, Jess Valenzuela (Lisette Olivera), a "Dreamer" / With Jess being a Dreamer, or a recipient of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals ( DACA) program
  • Reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/2023 International Conference on Climate Resilient Pakistan
  • Comment: I think I've used my credits, so DYK to follow today. This story has some legs, as a radical new lead (shades of Relic Hunter, maybe?) comes to a franchise which has reached some kind of cult status with a more Indiana Jones-type approach.

Created by SeoR (talk). Self-nominated at 15:41, 20 January 2023 (UTC).

• I don't love ALT0 and ALT1 – seems like they start and stop at an actress playing a role. I mean, this is every kid with dreams of the big screen, but: theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:50, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
• ALT2: ... that National Treasure: Edge of History actress Lisette Olivera (pictured) was dissuaded from the performing arts as a child by her mother?
• ALT2a: ... that National Treasure: Edge of History lead Lisette Olivera (pictured) was dissuaded from an acting career as a child but studied dance, vocals and music?
• ALT3: ... that as a child, Lisette Olivera was discouraged from the performing arts by her mother, and is now an actress trained in dance, vocals, piano, and guitar?

Thanks, and I see your point, though I thought the DREAMer point added something (not many characters have this as a central point to date), and the replacement of Nic Cage's epitome-of-old-USA character with a young Latina too. I do think, in terms of "hookiness", that a mention of the current role is important, so I'd suggest either your Alt2 or my Alt2a. SeoR (talk) 00:30, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Brooded on that a bit, and I'd like to withdraw my Alt0, and Alt3 (as it omits the key role, and it was acting which was discouraged, while some of the substitute activities might be described as performing arts), leaving the choice between the other hooks to the reviewer and the final admin. handler. Thanks, SeoR (talk) 12:39, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi theleekycauldron, I know you’re busy but just to check, would you be ok to proceed with Alt2, 2a, per your guidance, or 1? Thanks, SeoR (talk) 15:53, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

@SeoR: I would be, but it needs an independent reviewer, unfortunately :( theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:05, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Hiya. The article was new enough at time of nomination (DYK nomination on 20 January, having been created on the 13th – technically three-and-a-half hours late, but let's not be ridiculous here – and has not appeared on the Main Page) and is long enough (2420 characters of readable prose and is not a stub). The currently-proposed hooks are interesting and sourced; the image satisfies the DYK guidelines, though if it is to be used "(pictured)" must be added after the title in the hooks. A quid pro quo was done. With regards to core content policies such as copyright, neutrality, and BLP, I did not detect any violations. However, there are some verifiability issues with the article:

• Information about being raised by Olivera's grandfather is not in the Disney Latino source, but should be in the Economic Times one.Y
• The Economic Times says that she is "Mexican-born" and that she "came to the USA with her family at a young age"; this contradicts the article saying that she was born in California. Is it a reliable source? If you believe that it is, contradictory information should be footnoted. If not, please remove the information that it supports or replace the source with another. Y (Most of what is in that source is cross-verifiable, so I footnote this point; it's an Indian newspaper and there may have been some misunderstanding about Mexican descent, or parental birthplace)
• Not sure there's any point in noting that she's single (not a DYK eligibility issue, just my personal opinion).Y (removed)
• The "Career" paragraph has a lot of information that isn't in the Deadline source that is currently cited in it. Perhaps the Variety source will help with some of it. Y (Indeed, Variety filled the gaps)
• Total Eclipse is listed in the Variety source as having premiered in 2018, but the Economic Times source says it was 2019. Was it a multi-year project, or is one of the sources wrong? Y (2018 launch, subject played a role in 2019 - footnoted)
• Please check the year for Feint. Y (not easy but traced)
• Where was the $100 million number taken from? Y (removed)
• $79.7m to two significant figures is ≈$80m, no? I assume that the $79m is a slight error. Y
• The Morales-to-Valenzuela transition is not sourced, nor is the presence of Harvey Keitel. Y, Y
• A few of the citations for the tables don't seem to contain the role names or years. Y (one role name cut)

As DYK eligibility requires additional work, I am marking the nomination with . Please address these issues before I can approve this nomination. Sdrqaz (talk) 17:38, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Sdrqaz, I will work on those. The article has evolved a bit since I began it, so some references covering points may have shifted relative to the covered content, but I can add citation repeats as needed. I will remove the point re. marital status right away, and take out the 100 million, which was a broad comment somewhere, while the 79.7/80 million is cited (I did ask on Talk for a cite for the 100 million but did not receive one). SeoR (talk) 20:14, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Sdrqaz, that was quite a workout, most thorough verifiability process I recall in DYK (more like I've done for GA review), and I hope you feel it is now OK to consider. Many thanks! SeoR (talk) 21:33, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the prompt reply – I like to be thorough. Just a couple of things: please repeat the Economic Times source with the 2018/2019 Total Eclipse information in the table and in the prose (since that source said that it was 2019); repeat the Feint year source in the prose (since the article currently says it is the same year); and italicise the "(pictured)" (see WP:DYKHOOK and WP:DYKIMG). Thank you, Sdrqaz (talk) 17:25, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

I appreciate the thoroughness, Sdrqaz, and the article will develop better for it. I have made those citation additions, and am now applying the italics - sorry, should have done that from the start but I have nominated few with pictures. Thanks, SeoR (talk) 14:27, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your work on this article, SeoR, and for your understanding. No need to apologise. Approved, Sdrqaz (talk) 01:19, 19 February 2023 (UTC)