Template:Did you know nominations/Leslie Winston

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The result was: rejected by Yoninah (talk) 11:37, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Created by sock; article issues

Leslie Winston

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• ... that Leslie Winston, Judy Norton and Mary McDonough were known on set as "The Three Musketeers" when filming The Waltons? Source: McDonough, 2012: Lessons from the Mountain: What I Learned from Erin Walton, page 59.

Created by Sigurd Hring (talk). Self-nominated at 15:43, 8 January 2018 (UTC).

• @Sigurd Hring: This article is too short to qualify for DYK which has a requirement for articles to be at least 1500 characters long. At the moment the article is 949 characters and needs to be half as long again compared to its present length. Can you add any more information? In other ways it is fine so I hope you can expand it a bit. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:43, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello, @Cwmhiraeth: thank you for the very helpful advice. I've expanded the article to nearly double its former size (i.e., computed by script at 1725 prose text characters) so could you please look again and let me know if there is more I can be doing. Thank you again. Ziggy (talk) 13:52, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

• Thank you. As you say, it is now 1725 characters and is therefore long enough and new enough. The hook facts are cited inline, and I am accepting them in good faith as I cannot access the book source. The article is neutral and the Earwig copyvio tool did not find any issues with copyright or close paraphrasing. No QPQ needed by this new DYK contributor from whom I hope this will be the first DYK of many. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:17, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello again, @Cwmhiraeth: thank you very much. Yes, I don't think the book is available via Google but I've just double-checked the page number and the wording to be sure I'm saying what the author says. I understand the QPQ rule and would like to review some myself but I'm not really experienced enough yet. I think the DYK is great and I'll certainly be looking to use it again. Best wishes. Ziggy (talk) 14:28, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but the article does not appear to meet Rule D7, as it says nothing about where she was born, her education, or her other television or film performances. Could you expand it? Yoninah (talk) 00:03, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

• @Yoninah: I think you are misinterpreting supplementary rule D7: "There is a reasonable expectation that an article—even a short one—that is to appear on the front page should appear to be complete and not some sort of work in progress." I agree that it would be nice to have the information you mention, but if it is not easily available, it does not have to be included. I think the rule is mainly referring to unexpanded sections or unfinished sentences. For example, Sacculina carcini has no description section, and I consider that the most basic of requirements when writing articles on organisms. Even a GA is not required to be comprehensive. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:23, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

• I disagree. The page creator can look up her bio on IMDb and then look for reliable sources for her birthdate, birthplace, and other acting jobs. Yoninah (talk) 14:28, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

• Yoninah, Cwmhiraeth, Sigurd Hring was blocked back on January 22 as a sockpuppet of BlackJack, so he won't be coming back. We typically don't allow socks to "profit" from their breaking of the Wikipedia rules; the only reason I didn't put an X on this was in case either of you thought this should run for some other reason. As it stands, the page creator obviously won't be doing anything to supply the information Yoninah feels is absolutely basic to the article, so this may be dead in the water anyway, unless someone intervenes. I thought you'd want to know. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:00, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

• @BlueMoonset: I have no strong views about the creator, but what do you think about the interpretation of supplementary rule D7 here? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 21:10, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

• Marking for closure, both because it was created by a sock in violation of Wikipedia rules, and because of Yoninah's objections. Cwmhiraeth, I think that the article should certainly have basic biographical information, such as where she was born (if known; it's certainly clear from the sources used that she grew up in Iowa, which should certainly be mentioned), and a bit more information about her earlier career. The article is badly unbalanced by being almost entirely about The Waltons, and could use something more about her career outside that show, but needs to have at least some non-career aspects of her life; the body of the article is one big "Career" section. (Is IMDB allowed as a source for the information that depends on it, which is basically the entire first paragraph?) BlueMoonset (talk) 14:05, 12 February 2018 (UTC)