Template:Did you know nominations/Lemmon Petrified Wood Park & Museum
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 12:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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Lemmon Petrified Wood Park & Museum
Pyramids, Lemmon Petrified Wood Park
... that Lemmon Petrified Wood Park & Museum is the largest petrified wood park in the world? Source: Gerloff, Scott (December 1975). "National Register of Historic Places Inventory/Nomination: Lemmon Petrified Park". NPGallery. National Park Service. Retrieved November 19, 2017.ALT1: ... that the largest petrified wood park in the world features 100 pyramids made out of cannonball concretions and petrified wood? Source: Honerkamp, Bill (July 9, 1972). "Petrified Wood Park in Lemmon drew 17,000 visitors last year". Rapid City Journal. Lemmon. p. 3. Retrieved February 21, 2024 – via Newspapers.com.- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1997 Spring Creek flood
- Comment: QPQ not yet complete but very likely to pass. Added ALT1 in case the repetition in ALT0 is unwieldy, but feedback on the wording is very welcome.
5x expanded by TCMemoire (talk). Self-nominated at 00:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Lemmon Petrified Wood Park & Museum; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
The wording here is need of help. What are the sources referring to to make the claim, given Petrified Forest (California), Ginkgo Petrified Forest State Park, and Petrified Forest National Park are all larger by suare acerage, and likely the "tonnage" would be greater if the fossil specimens at each were tallied as the claimed tonnage of the national register of historic places form did.--Kevmin § 20:26, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Kevmin: The difference here is this is a manmade petrified wood park—a sculpture park of petrified wood—not a petrified forest. The NRHP form sourced to the claim in the lead here also supports this claim. – TCMemoire 01:34, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- I feel that the application form, while using the asserted verbiage, is too vague to qualify as reliable here. It doesn't seem to actually make the distinction that you make here between preserved forests and a "park". I wouldnt have issues if the hooks didn't use the largest claim, something that is nebulous.--Kevmin § 01:54, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Additional thought on the application also brings up that its (essentially) a primary source for the statement, while we should be using secondary and tertiary sources to back up the veracity of the claim.--Kevmin § 16:01, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Kevmin: I agree, and will concede that the claim may certainly be outdated, as the NRHP document is from 1977. Unfortunately, roadside attractions often go ignored by non-newspaper secondary sources (many of the newspaper articles in this article count as secondary per WP:PRIMARYNEWS), so it is difficult to find one that substantiates this claim; and most local material (including the book in
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) is offline and inaccessible to me. Should we strike this claim from the article as well? It is very often repeated in sources, but I agree that this seems to be an extension of the park's own claim. May I propose two alternative hook options (supported by the sources given in ALT0 and ALT1, repectively, and I have added inlines for both): - ALT2: ...that the Lemmon Petrified Wood Park & Museum features 100 pyramids made out of cannonball concretions and petrified wood?
- ALT3: ...that the Lemmon Petrified Wood Park & Museum contains 3,200 tons of petrified wood?
- – TCMemoire 22:07, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Kevmin: I agree, and will concede that the claim may certainly be outdated, as the NRHP document is from 1977. Unfortunately, roadside attractions often go ignored by non-newspaper secondary sources (many of the newspaper articles in this article count as secondary per WP:PRIMARYNEWS), so it is difficult to find one that substantiates this claim; and most local material (including the book in
- @Kevmin: The difference here is this is a manmade petrified wood park—a sculpture park of petrified wood—not a petrified forest. The NRHP form sourced to the claim in the lead here also supports this claim. – TCMemoire 01:34, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Article expansion new enough and long enough. Article cited and sourced. With regards to the "largest" statements, adding caveats to the sentences it appears should be good enough (eg "when dedicated", "claimed as in the NRHP application" ...), once that is done the prose will be natural. Sources are verified. Both Alt2 and Alt3 are cited and interesting. Good to go once the article is massaged a bit.--Kevmin § 17:44, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
