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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 18:44, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

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Le Concert Spirituel

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  • Reviewed: Hebrides Terrace Seamount
  • Comment: The article had a crazy history, developed independently by two users here, and one there, and merged. Users listed in chronological order.

Created by LouisAlain (talk), Gerda Arendt (talk), and Mccapra (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 11:07, 21 February 2020 (UTC).

  • Reviewing... Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:25, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Expanded 5x, I couldn't see any dodgy copyvios. Might I suggest the paragraphs should be merged a bit? QPQ done. Might I suggest the hook is a little wordy, and could be cut a bit? The hooky bit is that it was played with 18 oboes and a band, perhaps not that they focus on French sacred music, which could be gleamed from the prose in the article? Other than that, good to go. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:30, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
    Thank you! Well, English music is not their normal thing to play, as their name suggests. We could drop that HIP clause. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but I am confused about the hook wording. Do you want to say:
  • ALT0a: ... that Le Concert Spirituel, an ensemble focused on French sacred music and opera, played Handel's open-air music at The Proms with 18 oboes and a band to match?
  • But there is no citation for the ensemble performing sacred music. And the first paragraph under Recordings lacks a cite.
  • Personally, I think there is too much going on in this hook. If they play sacred music and opera, why are we mentioning Handel? I think it would be more interesting to talk about the ensemble, like:
  • ALT1: ... that Le Concert Spirituel, founded in 1987, revives the French repertoire played at the court of Versailles, using period instruments?
  • As there is no citation for the period instruments part, that could be left off the hook as needed. Yoninah (talk) 23:49, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
Trying to absorb:
ALT2: ... that Le Concert Spirituel, an ensemble focused on reviving music performed at the court of Versailles, played Handel's open-air music at The Proms with 18 oboes and a band to match?
I think we need to say "performed" vs. "played" as at least a hint that they mostly sing, not only play. Link to the court perhaps? Years are normally not hooky, and "revive" more or less includes the historically informed way, - how else would one revive? "sacred" would be supported by most titles in their recordings, but is a bit of an ambiguous word, so let's do without. As the reviewer noted, the 18 oboes are hooky - 2 is normal - so should not be left out. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:07, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • @Gerda Arendt: but your ALT2 hook is still mixing chalk and cheese. If they specialize in old French repertoire, why are we talking about them playing Handel? Yoninah (talk) 10:54, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Because of the contrast. If me mentioned some French opera or Requiem, the whole "focus" thing could be dropped, but now the 18 oboes were (only?) in this English music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • So? It doesn't make sense to twist and turn a hook to fit into 18 oboes. Good hooks can be written from any information. Yoninah (talk) 11:26, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Gerda Arendt, Yoninah, I have just added inline citations for both "period instruments" and "French sacred music", so that issue shouldn't hold back any hooks any longer. If a new focus for a hook is needed, perhaps something could be done with Sémélé by Marais (world premiere recording that won the Echo Klassik, though that would require additional sourcing for "world premiere"). In any event, it would be nice to get this nomination moving again. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:19, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt, Yoninah, and BlueMoonset: How about the following suggestions?
ALT1a: ... that Le Concert Spirituel, founded in 1987, revives the French repertoire played at the court of Versailles?
ALT3 ... that Le Concert Spirituel, a French baroque ensemble, performs period music originally played at the court of Versailles?
ALT3a ... that the baroque ensemble Le Concert Spirituel was founded to revive great French works that were originally played at the court of Versailles?
ALT4 ... that Le Concert Spirituel, a French baroque ensemble, was nominated for the Grammy Awards in 2001 and 2013?
ALT5 ... that a recording of Marin Marais's Sémélé by the Le Concert Spirituel won "Opera Recording of the Year" at Germany's Echo Klassik Awards in 2009?
As an outsider to the topic but a history buff, I found it interesting that the group's focus is on music used in Versailles, so perhaps that's one possible angle that can be given focus. For an angle that might appeal to a broader audience, the Grammy Awards angle is also an option, perhaps in combination with other proposals like the Versailles angle. Meanwhile, I have to repeat Yoninah's observation above that several parts of the "Recordings" section, including the entire DVDs section, is unreferenced. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 07:42, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for trying, but ... sigh. Here, I thought I could please you by a truly hooky thing, those 18 oboes, unheard of, - and I happened to hear it on radio, after I worded the hook. I find the court alone, the levee ceremony, the unknown opera and prizes much less hooky, and Handel's Water Music is one of the most popular pieces of Classical music, no? - Generally: I think the article on Baroque music would be rather confusing for someone who has no idea what it is, but that someone would probably not be interested in details about this group anyway. An article French Baroque music would be nice to have, but is only a sad redirect. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:54, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
  • @Lee Vilenski: Is it okay if you take a second look at the nomination and check all of the new proposals and comments? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:50, 6 April 2020 (UTC)7
    • Personally, I think the most Hooky part of all this, is that they played a song with a band and 18 oboes (which is an obscene amount of oboes). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:31, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Short answer: yes. Longer answer; I believe these discussions about this or that a little bit better hook take away too much of my time. So, let's trust the title of the ensemble will tell readers "French". Nothing will tell them "mostly vocal music", but I'm tired of fighting for that. Long live the little sensation. Amen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you! Restoring tick for ALT2a per Lee Vilenski's original review. Yoninah (talk) 18:42, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
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