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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 01:00, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

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Lady Ponce

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Lady Ponce

Created by Toreightyone (talk). Self-nominated at 23:57, 18 March 2019 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation

Image eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Nominated on the 7th day, 1806 characters, Copycvio unlikely, 0% at EarWigs. Hook is 136 characters.
Issues: --- Coffeeandcrumbs 08:38, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

article
  • albums and singles unsourced, should be cited or can be commented out.  Fixed --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:20, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
  • the article focuses almost entirely on tabloid fodder. Can you add some info about her music. Since that is her basis of notability why is it not discussed. Why is she called "the queen of Bikutsi"?
  • I don't think this article demonstrates notability as written.
hook
  • please add some location info to the hook, easiest way: "..her wedding in Les Clayes-sous-Bois a secret", either that or add "Cameroonian singer". I don't see any location marker to orient the reader.  Fixed --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:20, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
photo
  • how do we know this photo was legitimately added to Commons. Anyone could have uploaded it

Sorry to do this. Please ping me and I will return. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 08:39, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Hey Coffeeandcrumbs, how does this hook sound?
  • ALT1: ... that Cameroonian singer Lady Ponce (pictured) invited the paparazzi to her wedding at 3:30 pm, but actually held it at 9:00 am to keep her wedding a secret?
As for the image, how does the one on the side look? I can message Sergelowe (uploader) with any questions you have. As it stands right now, the citations for the singles and appear at citation 16 on the discography box on the right. I can add info regarding her music and her nickname either today or tomorrow. Thanks, Toreightyone (talk) 21:14, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Who is Sergelowe? The uploaders for the images are Rogeraepoh and Photokadaffi. I think we have to go with no photo. Her face is not visible in the other photo and I have suspect that the main photo is COPYVIO. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:42, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Can you add some sentences about when she release the albums. Something like: "Lady Ponce released her debut album in ... Her second album, Le ventre & le bas-ventre, came in ..." I can not pass the article as neutral when it focuses so much on tabloid-y stuff. Right now, her biography is mostly rumours, weddings, and hoaxes claiming she died. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:42, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Sergelowe is the uploader for the image I added. It may be possible to crop the one I added in a way that focuses on her face - but if it cannot, then no photo is fine with me. Toreightyone (talk) 00:50, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
OK, both photos are no good. Moving on the article, it fails WP:NPOV and WP:UNDUE. It has an undue focus on the subject's personal life. It does not appear that the subject is only notable for her personal life.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 02:27, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
  • @Toreightyone: You have been unable to edit the article in almost a month, and Coffee's concerns appear to have been unaddressed. I'll give you until May 16 to address the issues; if you will be unable to do so, the nomination may be marked for closure as stale. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:00, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
  • No response from the nominator despite a ping, a talk page message, and a DM on Discord. He has also not edited in two weeks. Marking for closure as stale. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:11, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
I just received a message from the nominator that he will try to address the issues by tomorrow. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:19, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Hey @Coffeeandcrumbs:, I have made several expansions to the career section. Let me know what you think. Thanks, Toreightyone (talk) 14:46, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
  • New reviewer needed; the previous reviewer will not be returning. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:13, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Since no one else has picked this up for review, I guess I'll be doing it. It seems the issues about copyright and tabloid material have been addressed, so the article now meets article requirements. I'll be assuming good faith for the French language sources in the article, and the hook fact is cited inline. No close paraphrasing was found, a QPQ has been done. This should be good to go with ALT1. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:35, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote ALT1, but I don't see anything in the article or source about her inviting the paparazzi to her wedding. The source says she was trying to avoid them. Yoninah (talk) 23:51, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: How about this revision then?
  • ALT2: ... that Cameroonian singer Lady Ponce (pictured) held her wedding at 9:00 am instead of the 3:30 pm time written in the invitation, to keep away the paparazzi?
Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:25, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Another possible rewording could be
Which ever one works best for you, Toreightyone (talk) 00:35, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you. I'll promote this wording:
  • ALT3a: ... that Cameroonian singer Lady Ponce advertised her wedding would take place at 3:30 pm, and then held it at 9:00 am to avoid paparazzi?
  • Restoring tick per Narutolovehinata5's review. Yoninah (talk) 00:59, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
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