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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:40, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

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LaVar Ball

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  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Plered
  • Comment: There are many interesting hooks possible for this article. Let me know if you have suggestions. Note that ALT2 is an April Fool's Day hook.

Created by TempleM (talk). Self-nominated at 22:57, 17 March 2017 (UTC).

  • @TempleM: As much as I would like to clear ALT2 for AFD, I do not believe I can at the moment as the article doesn't specifically make the claim of being better than Michael Jordan. I think it would need to be made clearer in the article to pass extra inspection, even if it is for April fools day. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 11:35, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
  • The C of E - Tweaked the hook to something found in the article. TempleM (talk) 16:46, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
  • The C of E, TempleM, this article has been remarkably unstable, both before being semi-protected for a week on March 17 and between the protection coming off at 15:46 on March 24 and being reinstated at 19:20 that same day. Since the current protection ends late on March 31, I think we can expect the article to be quite unstable, which is a problem if this runs with ALT2 on April Fools' Day. Also, I have trouble with the "would be" claim; even running on that day, I would expect the twist to be that it was some other Michael Jordan, rather than Wikipedia's voice backing up Ball's ludicrous claim. Even "would have beat" (which is the actual claim in the article) wouldn't work in Wikipedia's voice. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:25, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
  • BlueMoonset I have tweaked the hook again so that the reader knows that Ball claimed this and didn't actually defeat Michael Jordan. Will this still sound like an AFD hook? It sounds almost exactly like the original hook but with less detail. TempleM (talk) 20:15, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
  • TempleM, I don't think ALT2 does sound like an AFD hook, but then I didn't think it did the first time. So I think it shouldn't be run then but instead as a normal hook, and should also wait until the article has achieved stability. I'd be interested to hear what others think about these two points. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:53, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
  • This page should be deleted. This person is not significant in any way, he's the father of a college basketball player, he never played professional ball. Did this guy write his own page or was this a UCLA fan that wrote it? Confused as to why this hasn't been selected for deletion yet? 68.13.138.185 (talk) 23:50, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
    • I can assure you that I am not LaVar Ball nor am I a UCLA fan. But if you have been following sports in the last few weeks, Ball has been dominating the headlines. He has been in the national spotlight for a year and in the last month or so he has received an incredible amount of coverage. He was also a professional football player earlier and even though that alone may not warrant notability, there are countless reliable sources about him and his life. A side note: this article is also one of Wikipedia's most read articles in the last week or so, meaning that it is very well needed. TempleM (talk) 20:15, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Now that April Fools' Day has come and gone, reviewer needed to check the ALT hooks and see whether they work and are interesting and neutral on a regular DYK day. Stability should be checked for, but the article is semi-protected until May 1, so there's a reasonable chance that the article won't be under siege if this gets to the main page during April. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:54, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
  • I think the article is good to go. I ran the Earwig's and found 14.5%, but all of them are names of teams, schools, etc. The page is protected for a month and all of the vandalism updates have been removed. I prefer ALT2 – I'm sure it will get a lot of views. (Suggestions: In the last sentence of the introduction, you use the word "currently". I'd suggest you change that per MOS:RELTIME. Perhaps this can be fixed by adding the specific year he became the owner, i.e. "Since [year], he is the owner of Big Baller Brand." Make sure the source reflects that, since I only read through it and it didn't mention him owning Big Baller Brand). Cheers, ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 20:24, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
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