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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:32, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Kvinden & Samfundet

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... that Denmark's Woman & Society (first cover pictured), published since 1885, claims to be the oldest women's magazine in the world?

Reviewed: Taylor Dugas

Created by 97198 (talk). Self nominated at 12:16, 29 June 2014 (UTC).

Length, date verified. Hook's foreign-language ref accepted AGF. All non-lede paragraphs have refs; all refs appear to be RS. No apparent close-paraphrasing issues. Img is from Commons. QPQ done. GTG. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:25, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
The article Lady's Magazine has an older illustration and claims that there was a lady's magazine in 1693. Maybe the web site does make this claim but first feminist magazine might be more defendable. Victuallers (talk) 21:25, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

The claim is that W&S is the oldest i.e. the oldest still publishing. L.M. is defunct. EEng (talk) 17:54, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Can this point be worked into the hook, please? --PFHLai (talk) 14:17, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, I think that it's implicit that we're referring to those still publishing, but if you like...

ALT1 ... that Denmark's Woman & Society (first cover pictured), published since 1885, claims to be the oldest women's magazine in the world still publishing?

EEng (talk) 14:23, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Would 'still in circulation' work? --PFHLai (talk) 14:26, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Sort of, but not a normal way of saying it. EEng (talk) 14:33, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

How about 'founded in 1885'? 'in circulation since 1885'? I'm hoping to avoid using 'publish' twice in the hook. --PFHLai (talk) 14:46, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh wait, I wasn't paying attention. When you combine published since 1885 with claims (present tense) the implication is clear that it's still publishing. I'd go back the original hook if I were you. I'd also change the parenthetical:

ALT2 ... that Denmark's Kvinden & Samfundet (Woman & Society – inaugural issue pictured), published since 1885, claims to be the oldest women's magazine in the world?

EEng (talk) 15:05, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

This is fine; that "still in circulation" is not explicit in the hook is not worth worrying about in my opinion; it is implicit and not something any reader is going to get het up about. I prefer ALT2 (though I don't know what all that hidden formatting is about) as it gives the actual title followed by the non-literal but probably better English translation (it is literally The Woman and The Society, but that sounds clumsy). I wouldn't use the picture unless we are hoping to attract Danish feminist microscopists. Belle (talk) 11:39, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

They're a niche market, Belle, I'll give you that. 97198 (talk) 12:56, 22 July 2014 (UTC)