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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:43, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

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Kuiil

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Moved to mainspace by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self-nominated at 18:49, 25 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Please correct grammar; would also be good to give the number of years: "... would ?? years later ..." RLO1729 (talk)
    • RLO1729 Sorry about the typo. I fixed that and added the exact number of years between the film and show. I changed it to "released 42 years later" rather than saying he was "cast in the part X years later" because he was likely cast in 2017 or 2018 before the show's release. Let me know if you think the new wording is acceptable. — Hunter Kahn 14:37, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
    • The repetition of the word "later" seems to jar a little. I also wonder about the use of the word "would" in the hook. The full sentence is currently asking "Did you know he would be cast ..." (i.e. before it happened) when I think you really mean "Did you know he was cast ...". What about something like
... that Nick Nolte, who once auditioned for the part of Han Solo, was cast as Kuiil in the Star Wars show The Mandalorian over 40 years later?
Or consider turning it around as
... that Nick Nolte, who currently plays Kuiil in the Star Wars show The Mandalorian, auditioned for the part of Han Solo over 40 years earlier? (or use the exact number of years in this case)
RLO1729 (talk) 21:36, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
  • RLO1729 I'd be fine with either of your revised versions, though I personally prefer the first one slightly... — Hunter Kahn 21:48, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Re-reading both, most fans would of course know Nolte was cast as Kuiil, so the second version probably has more element of surprise. RLO1729 (talk) 22:01, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
    • I'm fine with that. — Hunter Kahn 22:07, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Also check that the revised version can be seen clearly in the original article (including years between events) and can be verified by a reputable source. RLO1729 (talk) 22:11, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Also "currently plays" should probably be changed to "voiced". RLO1729 (talk) 23:05, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I've now explored the hook-related source provided in the article (from looper.com, quoting mtv.com). The latter says Nolte was "seriously considered for" rather than "auditioned for" so I'd suggest that the article be revised to reflect this more clearly and that the hook then read:
... that Nick Nolte, who voices Kuiil in the Star Wars show The Mandalorian, was seriously considered for the role of Han Solo over 40 years earlier?
Both the article and the hook should then include this source. RLO1729 (talk) 00:09, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
  • That source was already in the article, but I've added a citation tag to the specific sentence now. Is that what you meant? — Hunter Kahn 00:34, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Yes, perfect. Suggest you update the hook here if you're happy with the latest version and add the mtv source here too. RLO1729 (talk) 00:50, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Sorry, the article still needs to say "was seriously considered for" instead of "had previously auditioned for". RLO1729 (talk) 00:57, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
    • I've changed that wording in the article itself, and changed the hook above to your suggested wording. I'm not sure what you mean by "add the mtv source here too" though. You mean a citation tag in the hook/DYK itself? I thought now that the fact is cited in the article itself that we are covered? — Hunter Kahn 02:41, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
  • The hook parameter of Template:NewDYKnomination recommends including a source. It's a good idea, especially if the nomination also appears on the article talk page. Also see other nominations on the current page. I've added it in. Good to go I think! RLO1729 (talk) 03:56, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
  • My review conclusion for the first hook would be DYK Ready but someone else should confirm as I have been involved in the final form of the hook (see above). For the other aspects of the review, I found: Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used, hook is cited, hook is reasonably interesting, QPQ good. Hope this helps. RLO1729 (talk) 04:51, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
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